Face Mask question NFL SD vs DEN

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fljet

Another missed call by this crew I hope Mike P. at the NFL office caught it

I think it's a conspiracy. The NFL front office is out to make sure the Chargers lose every week. I'm sure they are also responsible for Rosario Dawson be wide open in the back of the end zone.

How come you haven't commented on the 2 face mask penalties that were missed in Monday night's game? Where's your outrage about that?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by fljet

I am not famillar with the new rule changes in the NFL rulebook all I know is that they did away with the Garden variety facemask.

Which only existed for (what is to me) a short time anyway. This is one of those back-and-forth rule changes football goes thru. The differential penalty for the face mask violation was introduced by NCAA and eventually copied by other bodies because it was thought that the personal foul resulted in tiny differences in judgement between no call at all and a 15 yarder, resulting in inconsistent enforcement. It was thought that by introducing an intermediate possibility that it would take away this "ledge" or "cliff" between no protection at all and a severe penalty in mild cases. After years of experience, I guess they figured that it made calls even more inconsistent to have this intermediate judgement, leading to 5 yards (and a first down in the NFL) in cases where the player so contacted wasn't really endangered thereby. Maybe some decades from now they'll go thru this cycle again with this rule -- unless headgear will have changed in a way that makes the whole thing moot.

Robert

[falsecut]

I suppose by "backside of the crown of the helmet" the poster is talking about the nape of the neck part, the area of the helmet where is at the spine but regardless of whether the face mask, an ear hole, or any edge of the helmet is grasped, regardless of that edge's position on the helmet, it's a penalty and it's dangerous.

[fljet]

the crown would be the highest vertical point so the backside of the crown is essentially the back of the helmet which you can not grab, unless you have Shaquille oNeal size hands, so I think this was a bad call as basically Cromartie's hand landed there on the way down to the ground.

Hey juggles can you explain that in Canadian?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by fljet

the crown would be the highest vertical point so the backside of the crown is essentially the back of the helmet which you can not grab, unless you have Shaquille oNeal size hands, so I think this was a bad call as basically Cromartie's hand landed there on the way down to the ground.

Hey juggles can you explain that in Canadian?

You're not educated enough to read Canadian.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

You're not educated enough to read Canadian.

Touché!

And: ouch!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fljet

the crown would be the highest vertical point so the backside of the crown is essentially the back of the helmet which you can not grab, unless you have Shaquille oNeal size hands, so I think this was a bad call as basically Cromartie's hand landed there on the way down to the ground.

Let me get this straight. You're saying it's impossible for a player to stick his hand in this spot of the helmet and force the head into an unnatural motion?

I've got two words for you: Friction.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're saying it's impossible for a player to stick his hand in this spot of the helmet and force the head into an unnatural motion?

I've got two words for you: Friction.

Two more words for you: summer camp.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

Two more words for you: summer camp.

I'm not arguing the rule on this, I don't know it. When it comes to football, I'm just a fan.

I'm only challenging fljet's assertion that "you can not grab" that portion of the helmet.

[OverAndBack]

It was a joke, never mind.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

It was a joke, never mind.

Dangit! I hate it when jokes go over my head. Happens way too often.

[PA-28-181]

RULE 9 / Section 1
Conduct of Players
and Others
Subject to the Rules

q. No player shall twist, turn or pull the face mask or any helmet opening
of an opponent. It is not a foul if the face mask or helmet opening is
not twisted, turned or pulled. When in question, it is a foul (A.R. 9-1-2-
XV)

PENALTY (a-q)—15 yards from the basic spot, or 15 yards from
the succeeding spot for dead-ball fouls. Automatic first
down for Team B fouls if the first down is not in conflict
with other rules (Exception: Penalties for offensive team
personal fouls behind the neutral zone are enforced from
the previous spot. Safety if the foul occurs behind Team A’s
goal line) [S7, S24, S34, S38, S39, S40, S41 or S46]. Flagrant
offenders shall be disqualified [S47].
For Team A fouls during free or scrimmage kick plays (field
goal plays exempted): Enforcement may be at the previous
spot or the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to
Team B (Rules 6-1-8 and 6-3-13).

Originally Posted by fljet

the crown would be the highest vertical point so the backside of the crown is essentially the back of the helmet which you can not grab, unless you have Shaquille oNeal size hands, so I think this was a bad call as basically Cromartie's hand landed there on the way down to the ground.

Hey juggles can you explain that in Canadian?

[fljet]

Thanks PA that answered the question no foul occurred based on your rule book excerpt