RTP enforcement

[Rich]

I am going to post a few plays to get us away from arguing with the coach in the other thread and talking football.

This is pretty basic, but I just wanted to throw this out for discussion.

A quarterback rolls out right, I'm following him. As he nears the sideline, he throws the ball downfield, takes two steps out of bounds, and gets a two handed shove in the back while well out of bounds. I throw a flag.

LJ comes up and tells me that the pass was intercepted and the interceptor stepped out of bounds before the hit on the QB. (While this would normally be quite rare, the pass was quite short to the sidelines and the hit on the passer was WAY late.)

So, how would this be enforced?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I am going to post a few plays to get us away from arguing with the coach in the other thread and talking football.

This is pretty basic, but I just wanted to throw this out for discussion.

A quarterback rolls out right, I'm following him. As he nears the sideline, he throws the ball downfield, takes two steps out of bounds, and gets a two handed shove in the back while well out of bounds. I throw a flag.

LJ comes up and tells me that the pass was intercepted and the interceptor stepped out of bounds before the hit on the QB. (While this would normally be quite rare, the pass was quite short to the sidelines and the hit on the passer was WAY late.)

So, how would this be enforced?

CANADIAN RULING:

I do not believe that RTP can be flagged once B goes out of bounds. There can still be a flag for UR, but I would not rule RTP. Since B had already intercepted the ball, and in fact, had ended the play, the UR is post-COP, and is enforced 15 yards back from the Point Ball Dead (dead ball spot), 1D/10 for B.

[Theisey]

I agree, not RTP.
Enforce from the end of team-B's return after the INT.

[wwcfoa43]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

CANADIAN RULING:

RTP cannot be flagged once B intercepts the ball. There can still be a flag for UR, but it is not RTP. Since B had already intercepted the ball, and in fact, had ended the play, the UR is post-COP, and is enforced 15 yards back from the Point Ball Dead (dead ball spot), 1D/10 for B.

Canadian Ruling, con'd

I am not sure it is accurate to say that RTP passer cannot be flagged once B intercepts the ball. There is no rules verbiage to that effect. I believe QBs should get the same protection whether the ball is dead or intercepted.

However, you are correct that the rules for applying UR mean that if the ball is intercepted then B will keep it.

It is interesting that a roughing the kicker does have an exception to the normal UR application rules and even though most RTK occurs after the ball is in flight we still consider the foul as if it occured prior to the ball being in flight.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by wwcfoa43

Canadian Ruling, con'd

I am not sure it is accurate to say that RTP passer cannot be flagged once B intercepts the ball. There is no rules verbiage to that effect. I believe QBs should get the same protection whether the ball is dead or intercepted.

However, you are correct that the rules for applying UR mean that if the ball is intercepted then B will keep it.

It is interesting that a roughing the kicker does have an exception to the normal UR application rules and even though most RTK occurs after the ball is in flight we still consider the foul as if it occured prior to the ball being in flight.

Good catch. Editted to include the OB event.

Given that B went OB, then the passer was hit, I do not have RTP.

[wwcfoa43]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good catch. Editted to include the OB event.

Given that B went OB, then the passer was hit, I do not have RTP.

Canadian ruling, con'd

I still respectfully disagree. If the QB happens to throw an incompletion and get hits in what would be considered RTP, it is still RTP even though the ball is dead.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by wwcfoa43

Canadian ruling, con'd

I still respectfully disagree. If the QB happens to throw an incompletion and get hits in what would be considered RTP, it is still RTP even though the ball is dead.

This could be a play that you have to see.

You might call RTP. I am near certain that I wouldn't call RTP; there's too much time and too many events after the release, imho, for RTP. Rather, I have a generic UR.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

So, how would this be enforced?

I'm a rookie, so let me play. The foul was post-change of possession, so B keeps the ball. Dead ball, personal foul, unnecessary roughness (or late hit out of bounds), 15 yds from the end of the run, first down (and 10 for B).