Setting the chains

[Stripe]

Thaks Jim. Now for dead ball or unsportsmanlike is it the same thing?

[bigwhistle]

If you are asking "do you set the chains and then mark off the penalty, thus leaving a 1st and 25 situation" the answer is no.

If you have a play that results in a first down, which is followed by a dead ball penalty against team A before the next ready for play, you will mark off the penalty and then set the chains 1st and 10 for team A

[FootballRef05]

Dead ball or USC - to look at the result of the play for example if they ran 15 yeards and reached the Line to Gain and the ball became dead, then A had a USC, you would mark off the 15 yards then set the chains 1st and 10. You can never start a new series with more then first and 10, unless the ball had already been marked ready for play.

[Stripe]

Thanks guys. Yes, I meant a dead ball foul or USC after the line to gain was reached.

[bossman72]

so if we had a 3 and 8 from the A 30, and A runs for a 35 yd gain, but there was a BIB past the line to gain at the A 42, we would mark off the penalty from the spot, then give A a first and 10 at their 32, correct?

and if the foul happened before the line to gain, we would just mark if off and repeat the down, correct?

[Texas Aggie]

so if we had a 3 and 8 from the A 30, and A runs for a 35 yd gain, but there was a BIB past the line to gain at the A 42, we would mark off the penalty from the spot, then give A a first and 10 at their 32, correct?

No. Under NCAA rules, and I believe Fed are the same (correct that if wrong, guys), we mark off the penalty from the spot of the foul as you said, but do not award a first down unless the line to gain has been gained after the walk off. In your example, it would be 3rd and 6 from the 32.

One clarification from above: if there is a USC or other dead ball foul AFTER the ready for play in the NCAA (following a first down award), the line to gain has already been established and we would play 1st and 25 (or less, if half the distance applies).

[Warrenkicker]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

No. Under NCAA rules, and I believe Fed are the same (correct that if wrong, guys), we mark off the penalty from the spot of the foul as you said, but do not award a first down unless the line to gain has been gained after the walk off. In your example, it would be 3rd and 6 from the 32.

One clarification from above: if there is a USC or other dead ball foul AFTER the ready for play in the NCAA (following a first down award), the line to gain has already been established and we would play 1st and 25 (or less, if half the distance applies).

Fed - Dead ball fouls and USC are enforced after determining if the line-to-gain was reached. All others are enforced and then the line-to-gain is checked.

Ditto on the foul after the RFP.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

No. Under NCAA rules, and I believe Fed are the same (correct that if wrong, guys), we mark off the penalty from the spot of the foul as you said, but do not award a first down unless the line to gain has been gained after the walk off. In your example, it would be 3rd and 6 from the 32.

Ok, so the BIB has to happen at least 10 yards past the line to gain for it to be a first down then, correct?

[Warrenkicker]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Ok, so the BIB has to happen at least 10 yards past the line to gain for it to be a first down then, correct?

Correct .