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Old Tue Sep 19, 2006, 07:28am
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It's unfortunate that it happened however, the crew should be held accountable for the errors. We all make mistakes and even at the HS level I am held accountable if something goes wrong. I don't agree with the OU having a big to do press conference about it, but the suspension for 1 game does not seem outrageous IMO.
You are totally right on the BIG 12 press conference crap, saying the game shouldn't even count and it should be taken off the record book is a joke. After all this I hope all goes well this season at all the Big 12 football games, no pressure being put on their officials to be perfect!
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Old Tue Sep 19, 2006, 07:43am
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Most of you know by now that i am an OU fan. I to agree that Borens letter is over the top as far as the game not counting. Think that is just a political stance to show that he is standing up for his school. Deep down he knows nothing will happen.

As far as the comment when OU wins they WON the game and when the lose they got cheated; show me one fan base who does not have that attitude among their followers. Most fans can be realist but every fan base has their share.

As far as the replay system itself in NCAA that as an official i would hate is the fact the Ref on the field is totally out of the review process. Unlike the NFL where they have a monitor on the sideline, he has put his fate in a guy upstairs. The crew is at the mercy of the upstairs review guy. In this case if the head ref sees maybe he does overturn it and this controversey is all avoided, but instead you have some guy up there playing god. As an official if i or my crew made the call let me review so i can live with my decision and solely my decision.
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Old Tue Sep 19, 2006, 08:07am
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Even though he knows it won't happen it was an embaressment for Boren to even ask for the game to not count. But Stoops seems to be handling it pretty well. However I have heard the Oregon coach quoted and so far it's the typical, ....we played good enough to win....my boys fought hard.....things happen in games...crap. He may have said other things too but that's all I've heard. It's just more proof that if their team wins coaches could care less if it was done right.

Does anybody know if the replay official saw the view from the end zone on the tipped ball/pass nterference play?

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Old Tue Sep 19, 2006, 09:41am
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Most of you know by now that i am an OU fan. I to agree that Borens letter is over the top as far as the game not counting. Think that is just a political stance to show that he is standing up for his school. Deep down he knows nothing will happen.

As far as the comment when OU wins they WON the game and when the lose they got cheated; show me one fan base who does not have that attitude among their followers. Most fans can be realist but every fan base has their share.

As far as the replay system itself in NCAA that as an official i would hate is the fact the Ref on the field is totally out of the review process. Unlike the NFL where they have a monitor on the sideline, he has put his fate in a guy upstairs. The crew is at the mercy of the upstairs review guy. In this case if the head ref sees maybe he does overturn it and this controversey is all avoided, but instead you have some guy up there playing god. As an official if i or my crew made the call let me review so i can live with my decision and solely my decision.

You probably would have won the game by 20 points if your starting QB wasn't making $25 an hour and a job he wasn't showing up for! Was that also the PAC 10 officiating crews fault or the reply officials fault?
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Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 02:13pm
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You probably would have won the game by 20 points if your starting QB wasn't making $25 an hour and a job he wasn't showing up for! Was that also the PAC 10 officiating crews fault or the reply officials fault?
The starting QB was Paul Thompson not Bomar!!!
Rhett Bomar was kicked off the team 6 weeks before the game by Coach Stoops so your statement and question is totally stupid!!!
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Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 02:24pm
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The starting QB was Paul Thompson not Bomar!!!
Rhett Bomar was kicked off the team 6 weeks before the game by Coach Stoops so your statement and question is totally stupid!!!
Learn to comprehend what you read. I do not think he was saying Bomar was at the game. He was saying that you lost Bomar because he was violating NCAA rules.

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Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 04:49pm
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Learn to comprehend what you read. I do not think he was saying Bomar was at the game. He was saying that you lost Bomar because he was violating NCAA rules.

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His comment was to say the least Vague... And I don't need you to tell me that I need to learn to comprehend what I read... You don't know what he meant... Try not to be discourteous. It doesn't become you...
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Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 11:27pm
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Sorry, blue, but your response indicated you didn't get it. He was saying that if Bomar hadn't screwed up, not been suspended, and actually played, OU would have won by 20 or whatever. That's an arguable point, of course, but I think he knew who played QB for OU at Oregon.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 12:58am
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His comment was to say the least Vague... And I don't need you to tell me that I need to learn to comprehend what I read... You don't know what he meant... Try not to be discourteous. It doesn't become you...
I think I do know what he meant. As Texas Aggie pointed out, you missed the point (now this is my opinion).

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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 07:43am
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His comment was to say the least Vague... And I don't need you to tell me that I need to learn to comprehend what I read... You don't know what he meant... Try not to be discourteous. It doesn't become you...
I have not to do with football officiating, but how can someone (you) who told someone (RonRef) "your statement and question is totally stupid!!!" then turn around and complain about someone else (JRutledge) be discourteous?

Totally defies logic.
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Most of you know by now that i am an OU fan. I to agree that Borens letter is over the top as far as the game not counting. Think that is just a political stance to show that he is standing up for his school. Deep down he knows nothing will happen.

As far as the comment when OU wins they WON the game and when the lose they got cheated; show me one fan base who does not have that attitude among their followers. Most fans can be realist but every fan base has their share.

As far as the replay system itself in NCAA that as an official i would hate is the fact the Ref on the field is totally out of the review process. Unlike the NFL where they have a monitor on the sideline, he has put his fate in a guy upstairs. The crew is at the mercy of the upstairs review guy. In this case if the head ref sees maybe he does overturn it and this controversey is all avoided, but instead you have some guy up there playing god. As an official if i or my crew made the call let me review so i can live with my decision and solely my decision.
Boren should get this passionate over something that doesn't involve intercollegiate athletics.
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Old Tue Sep 19, 2006, 10:44am
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like Dallas Maverick fans
Actually more like SA fans. I watched every Mavericks playoff game this past year and I don't recall the Mavs fans chanting, in unison, "refs you suck" as SA fans did in game two of the WC semis (against the Mavs) while DOWN by 20+ points.
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The latest on Yahoo! news is that the replay official is now getting death threats. I recall this also happening in the Ohio State BCS game a couple of years ago...so I won't make any generalizations about Oakies ;-) but in all seriousness, how out of hand has society become when people get this aggitated about a game? I have no problem with the conference giving a suspension for a badly called game, but for Boren to inflame the situation with a charged letter liek this eems to be littel more than public grandstanding.

I always think back to something an older offical told me when the topic of officials deciding games came up. Basic gist was that "The two teams had all game to score or play better defense. To blame an official for one or two blown calls out of an entire game is nothing short of dodging the team responsibility for not taking care of buisness early on in the game."
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Old Tue Sep 19, 2006, 02:38pm
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Tough Situation

Do you think that in this case replay hurt the situation? In previous times, they would say that the refs missed the call, grouse about it for a few days and then move on. With replay, the game now has to be perfectly called.

Regarding replay, I haven't yet seen a good explanation of what is reviewable and what IS NOT reviewable. And, I haven't seen video of the plays, so I'm unable to comment on the calls.

It seems that on the free kick call, the officials on the kicking lines should have seen something (although it's tough to see on onside kicks). On the PI call, the crew may miss a tipped pass, that's life. So, the finality of the calls lay on the doorstep of the replay official and again I'm not sure what was or wasn't reviewable.

Anyone know where to find video on the plays? Crew listing?

I'm last to criticize as I make my own share of mistakes on the field!
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In his own words.

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