Pac-10 officials vs. OK suspended one game

[bossman72]

This is terrible.

[Texas Aggie]

I don't have a problem with the suspensions, but I do with if they are going to do that, conferences should be more proactive in having press conferences announcing in the other 99.9% of cases when they are correct.

Boren's an idiot. Always has been; always will be.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I don't have a problem with the suspensions, but I do with if they are going to do that, conferences should be more proactive in having press conferences announcing in the other 99.9% of cases when they are correct.

I completely agree with this statement.

Peace

[dave30]

Oklahoma Sooner fans are like Dallas Maverick fans. When they win....they WON the game. When they lose....they were obviously CHEATED !!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dave30

Oklahoma Sooner fans are like Dallas Maverick fans. When they win....they WON the game. When they lose....they were obviously CHEATED !!!

LOL.....you musta been reading the Basketball forum last June.

That includes Dallas fanboys who are also umpires/officials too.

[dave30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

LOL.....you musta been reading the Basketball forum last June.

That includes Dallas fanboys who are also umpires/officials too.

I was part of that basketball forum last June ! I'm only a fanboy when it comes to MY SPURS ! Spurs should have went 82-0 last year if we could get some decent calls ! As bad as some Spurs fans are......Mav fans took it over the top! Talk about whiners !!!!! Karma is a ***** ! Sorry to go off topic....now back to the football forum......

[Texas Aggie]

>>Almost every other conference has a rule that the traveling team provides the officials.<<

I don't think any conference has this rule, its just that game contracts usually provide for this. Its an agreement between the schools and has been in place since the NCAA outlawed split crews.

I think the NCAA just needs to step in again and say that in non-conference games, officials are provided by a third party conference. I don't think it makes any difference, but if they are going to play this game, at least make the appearences that everything is "neutral."

Its also interesting to see commentators note that there should have been a split crew.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I completely agree with this statement.

Peace

I'll second the second!

[mcrowder]

What does the article mean when it says the recovery by OU was not reviewable? Specifically, why not? Seems rather clear on replay to me.

And No, I'm not a fanboy - I'm a Longhorn. I wanted them to lose, but not this way.

I do think it sucks that the on-field crew is being suspended for a week. I don't believe they deserved it (we all make mistakes - no game is officiated perfectly), and I don't believe it serves any true purpose in motivating them not to make mistakes in the future (which, supposedly, would the intent of punishment such as this) - I'm sure they are already motivated to not make mistakes.

However, I think it's a crime that the replay official has not been suspended for at least the season. This is CLEARLY an egregious error and it was his sole responsibility to fix it. He had the same angles the rest of us did, and it was a rather obvious mistake. This man should not work again. I don't want to say the mistake was intentional or biased, but I can't help but wonder if the policy of using local ex-officials as replay officials, instead of ponying up the bucks to have a replay official as part of a crew, is partly to blame here.

[JasonTX]

I haven't seen any replays of a camera that was position on the 45 yard line. All the camera views I seen were from an angle. If you've been officiating long enough, you know that making calls depends on the perfect view. The ball APPEARED to be less than 10 yards when it was touched, but we can't use what it APPEARED to be because the angle the camera was at is what gave it that appearance. We must have absolute facts. As far as the recovery of the ball, someone mentioned there was a replay that showed Oregon #15 falling on the ball while he was down. The recovery of the ball by OU #23 was after the ball became dead. In my opinion the replay official should have said there wasn't sufficient effidence to overturn the call. But because they said the ball had touched OU first is what set these wheels turning.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

I haven't seen any replays of a camera that was position on the 45 yard line. All the camera views I seen were from an angle. If you've been officiating long enough, you know that making calls depends on the perfect view. The ball APPEARED to be less than 10 yards when it was touched, but we can't use what it APPEARED to be because the angle the camera was at is what gave it that appearance. We must have absolute facts. As far as the recovery of the ball, someone mentioned there was a replay that showed Oregon #15 falling on the ball while he was down. The recovery of the ball by OU #23 was after the ball became dead. In my opinion the replay official should have said there wasn't sufficient effidence to overturn the call. But because they said the ball had touched OU first is what set these wheels turning.

You're right that there is no great angle on the touch ... except for the overhead angle where you can watch the player make the touch, and see the 45 yardline clear as day to his right.

Regarding the recovery, there were ample reviews (both on TV at the time of this happening, and available all over the place in extreme retrospect) that showed the ball never in possession until after the linesman was waving his arms. At WORST, this should have been IW. I think it's readily apparent that the only Oregon player whose hands touched the ball was the guy who touched it 4-5 yards after it was kicked. It was never even remotely near an Oregon player's possession. Never.

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I don't have a problem with the suspensions, but I do with if they are going to do that, conferences should be more proactive in having press conferences announcing in the other 99.9% of cases when they are correct.

Boren's an idiot. Always has been; always will be.

The only problem I have is this?

Why suspend the officiating crew? They did their job. They made the calls (even though incorrect), however, both calls were reviewed by the Instant replay Crew where the calls on the field could have been reversed and there would not have been any suspensions.

Therefore, I agree with suspending the Instant replay officials but why the on Field officials.

Pete Booth

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by bossman72

This is terrible.

At the Div 1 and Pro level officials get paid a lot more money and with the big paycheck comes more accountability.

[FootballRef05]

It's unfortunate that it happened however, the crew should be held accountable for the errors. We all make mistakes and even at the HS level I am held accountable if something goes wrong. I don't agree with the OU having a big to do press conference about it, but the suspension for 1 game does not seem outrageous IMO.

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by FootballRef05

It's unfortunate that it happened however, the crew should be held accountable for the errors. We all make mistakes and even at the HS level I am held accountable if something goes wrong. I don't agree with the OU having a big to do press conference about it, but the suspension for 1 game does not seem outrageous IMO.

You are totally right on the BIG 12 press conference crap, saying the game shouldn't even count and it should be taken off the record book is a joke. After all this I hope all goes well this season at all the Big 12 football games, no pressure being put on their officials to be perfect!