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Old Thu May 21, 2015, 08:56pm
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I know what he is saying and there is a hole in the rule. The color restrictions are on the headbands/wrist bands. It only says that sleeves much match any headbands/wristbands. If there are none, then there is nothing to match. So, are there really any color restrictions? I know what they meant, but the wording leaves open the possibility of the sleeves being any color at all, as long as all sleeves match each other.
if A and B have color restrictions, and C and D must match A and B, C and D have color restrictions. It really isn't hard, I just don't get why would be confusing at all. I do understand the NFHS has editorial, and wording problems everywhere, but if you understand the intent of the rule, then it shouldn't be a problem.

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Old Thu May 21, 2015, 09:20pm
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if A and B have color restrictions, and C and D must match A and B, C and D have color restrictions. It really isn't hard, I just don't get why would be confusing at all. I do understand the NFHS has editorial, and wording problems everywhere, but if you understand the intent of the rule, then it shouldn't be a problem.
Right or wrong, all of this will likely be clarified in their Guidebook or on the Power Point. It will be a little more than wording that will be at issue.

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Old Thu May 21, 2015, 09:51pm
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if A and B have color restrictions, and C and D must match A and B, C and D have color restrictions. It really isn't hard, I just don't get why would be confusing at all. I do understand the NFHS has editorial, and wording problems everywhere, but if you understand the intent of the rule, then it shouldn't be a problem.
... except there usually aren't any A & B, especially in boys games, so there's nothing to match.

Last year's rules clearly indicated the colors for each (bands & sleeves/tights), albeit not in the same order, which is symptomatic of the lack of attention to detail we're harping on.

Now, in their effort to have them match, they suddenly (and unwittingly) left out the color specifications for "C & D."

Of course "everyone" understands the intent of the rule ... except the parents who buy the gear, the players who ask for it and the coaches/ADs who read these hacky rules and rightfully tell them, "Yup, as far as I can tell, you're good to go."

Just because WE know what the NFHS meant to say, it's hard to explain to someone who reads the rules and justifiably comes back with, "Ummm, it doesn't say that."

No, it's not likely to cause too many of us problems, but that doesn't make it any less pathetic.
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Old Fri May 22, 2015, 03:30am
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if A and B have color restrictions, and C and D must match A and B, C and D have color restrictions. It really isn't hard, I just don't get why would be confusing at all. I do understand the NFHS has editorial, and wording problems everywhere, but if you understand the intent of the rule, then it shouldn't be a problem.
I know that is what they meant, but what they wrote is different.

If A and B don't exist, then there is no color for C and D to match.
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Old Fri May 22, 2015, 07:00am
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I know that is what they meant, but what they wrote is different.

If A and B don't exist, then there is no color for C and D to match.
Camron's right. If the goal is for sleeves/tights to be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey then write that into the rule.
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Old Fri May 22, 2015, 08:24am
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Camron's right. If the goal is for sleeves/tights to be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey then write that into the rule.
What? Color restrictions were written into the rule last year.


Basketball Comments on the Rules - 2014-15

By on November 21, 2014

TEAM MEMBER’S EQUIPMENT, APPAREL (3-5-3 NEW): The 2013-14 rule implementation regarding arm and leg sleeves was difficult to monitor and enforce by contest officials and coaches. Anything worn on the arm and/or leg is considered to be a sleeve, except a knee brace, and shall meet the color restrictions. Tights that extend below the knee are now legal and must meet the color restrictions by rule. Medical verification of arm and leg compression sleeves has been eliminated. All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color per individual player. The sleeves/tights shall be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the uniform. The same color arm and leg sleeves/tights shall be worn by all teammates. For example, the guidelines specify that if white arm sleeves are worn, then the leg sleeves/tights must also be white.


All they did this year is say that they must all match, they didn't take away the color restrictions.
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Old Fri May 22, 2015, 08:13pm
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All they did this year is say that they must all match, they didn't take away the color restrictions.
According to the release linked in this thread, they did. The one sentence referencing sleeves/tights does not mention colors at all.

Yes, colors were listed last year. We all agree. It appears, however, they've been removed. That's the crux of this whole discussion.
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Old Fri May 22, 2015, 09:05pm
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According to the release linked in this thread, they did. The one sentence referencing sleeves/tights does not mention colors at all.

Yes, colors were listed last year. We all agree. It appears, however, they've been removed. That's the crux of this whole discussion.
Or maybe they just paraphrased it in the release. I guess we will see when the books come out.
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Old Fri May 22, 2015, 10:09pm
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According to the release linked in this thread, they did. The one sentence referencing sleeves/tights does not mention colors at all.

Yes, colors were listed last year. We all agree. It appears, however, they've been removed. That's the crux of this whole discussion.
My mistake. OK is right. NF only changed the specifics of 3-5-3c. 3-5-3a specifies the colors of sleeves/tights.
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