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Old Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:06pm
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What rules are you looking at?!? NFHS definitions, section 41 . . .
I'll have to double check, but I was thinking the rules clearly define "try" but not "shot." I suppose "shooting motion" could be applied, though.
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Old Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:59pm
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Should we have blown the whistle after Blue shooting at the wrong hoop and White passing in?
The whistle should have come after the ball entered the wrong hoop. Offer white the points; give blue the ball.
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The whistle should have come after the ball entered the wrong hoop. Offer white the points; give blue the ball.
"Should've, would've, could've."

Easy to say from the comfort of our chairs in front of a computer monitor, but I'm sure that is was more difficult for the officials that were there in real time.
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Old Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:38am
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"Should've, would've, could've."

Easy to say from the comfort of our chairs in front of a computer monitor, but I'm sure that is was more difficult for the officials that were there in real time.
Yep, and the OP seems to have asked the "what should I have done" question. We all know how this tends to play out, but it doesn't do any good in the after math to make excuses. The OP didn't do that, so why are you?

Knowing how it should have been handled is crucial to learning from it and handling it right next time. We all know there will be a next time.
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Knowing how it should have been handled is crucial to learning from it and handling it right next time. We all know there will be a next time.
Then the answer to the question, "What should I have done?", becomes quite simple. Stop the game as soon as Blue scores in the wrong basket, make sure that the scorekeeper awards the points to the White team, and give the ball to Blue for a run the endline throwin.

Every second that the official waits after Blue scores in the wrong basket to sound his whistle further complicates the situation, and makes it increasingly hard for the players to figure it out on their own, and for the official to "correct" with a later whistle. As the official waits, there can be a few more, "What should I have done?", as each "mistake" dominoes into the next "mistake".
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Old Tue Apr 28, 2015, 10:03pm
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This happened yesterday to me in an AAU tournament game.
Blue team passes the ball in after a made basket by White. Blue player shoots at the wrong basket and the ball goes in. Now in the confusion the White team takes the ball out of bounds at that basket and passes it in. Players are all confused as to what happened and are standing around without violation. The Blue team steals the ball races up to their correct hoop where we have a White foul on the shot. The white coach is telling me that I have to correct this. I tell him it is not correctable and things have to stand as they are with Blue shot at Whites basket counting for White and the suspequent foul at the other end standing.
Should we have blown the whistle after Blue shooting at the wrong hoop and White passing in?
Happened to me more that 10 years ago in highly contested rival boys varsity. If you search, you could find it. Also happened last year in 2014 FIBA U17 Women's world championship Slovakia v. Mexico. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TbIGH_x-Uk
I was trail and was looking at table after they scored in wrong basket trying to communicate that the 2 pts. went to home team. While I was doing that, home team inbounded to apparently the only player on court that knew what was going on and he scored again and then quarter ended. Both coaches came out with V saying you got to correct it and H saying you can't take it away. Well we discussed it and counted all 4 pts and just played on as we couldn't come up with a solution. Well State rules interpreter got involved and they came up with the same as the current casebook interp (not sure if it existed back then). First, without a doubt, it was confusion and no attempt to deceive. What we should have done is when V scored in the wrong basket and H went to take the ball OOB, that's when you should kill it. I've come up to my own conclusion that even if no one immediately goes to take ball OOB, I'm going to kill it immediately, go the table to ensure the points are recorded for the correct team, and then get the ball inbounded by correct team with the right to run the endline as after any H team score. If you watch the you tube video, it appears no one even noticed. I sent that to my partner in that game last summer. We both had a good laugh and felt better. As someone else said, it's easy to second guess but much harder real time. I'll attest to that! The only reason I'll never make that mistake is because I already did it once! We are what our experience makes us. The more plays we see, the more prepared we are for all the weird stuff. Don't sweat it but have a plan for when it happens again because if you stay in this biz long enough, it will.
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I don't understand how any official can ever let the wrong team execute a throw-in.
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