Providence - Dayton...Ed Cooley technical

[hbk314]

As someone who has no horse in this race, so to speak, the technical foul absolutely didn't need to be called. If the action had been directed at an official(or anyone other than his own team), I'd have no issue with it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by hbk314

As someone who has no horse in this race, so to speak, the technical foul absolutely didn't need to be called. If the action had been directed at an official(or anyone other than his own team), I'd have no issue with it.

Some things are just not allowed no matter who the target is. Throwing chairs is one of them.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Some things are just not allowed no matter who the target is. Throwing chairs is one of them.

If he'd actually thrown it, I'd likely agree. He knocked it over. Not an action that the other team should be getting free throws for.

Other than calling the official an idiot, the Deadspin article is correct.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by hbk314

If he'd actually thrown it, I'd likely agree. He knocked it over.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument. Usually when I knock something over, it doesn't travel 10-15 feet or more (can't see where it stopped but it was at least that) before it stops.

[APG]

Originally Posted by hbk314

As someone who has no horse in this race, so to speak, the technical foul absolutely didn't need to be called. If the action had been directed at an official(or anyone other than his own team), I'd have no issue with it.

Independent of the play in question...are you sure you're qualified to determine whether or not a T should be handed out? You've said it yourself, you've not an official.

As to the play in question...overt actions such, such as throwing/hitting the chair opens one up to be assessed a technical foul. And for all we know, there may be words that accompanied this T...in guise of "just talking to his guys."

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by APG

Independent of the play in question...are you sure you're qualified to determine whether or not a T should be handed out? You've said it yourself, you've not an official.

As to the play in question...overt actions such, such as throwing/hitting the chair opens one up to be assessed a technical foul. And for all we know, there may be words that accompanied this T...in guise of "just talking to his guys."

I'm not a basketball official. I did officiate baseball until some health issues came up.

If there were a way to penalize the coach without rewarding the other team, I'd be all for it. I just don't think that this rises to the level of something the other team should benefit from.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by hbk314

I'm not a basketball official. I did officiate baseball until some health issues came up.

If there were a way to penalize the coach without rewarding the other team, I'd be all for it. I just don't think that this rises to the level of something the other team should benefit from.

How could you penalize a member of a team without the other team benefiting? Make him stay after school and write "I will not throw chairs" 500 times? If it doesn't hurt the team (which is the same as helping the opponents) there would be no incentive to not do it.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

How could you penalize a member of a team without the other team benefiting? Make him stay after school and write "I will not throw chairs" 500 times? If it doesn't hurt the team (which is the same as helping the opponents) there would be no incentive to not do it.

Charged timeout, add a foul to the team's count, a documented warning, etc. I realize that adding a foul to the team's count is still benefiting the other team, but it's not essentially giving them free points.

I think I'm coming at it from the baseball mentality of an equipment toss that doesn't endanger others and isn't directed at/in response to an official is a warning.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Charged timeout, add a foul to the team's count, a documented warning, etc. I realize that adding a foul to the team's count is still benefiting the other team, but it's not essentially giving them free points.

I think I'm coming at it from the baseball mentality of an equipment toss that doesn't endanger others and isn't directed at/in response to an official is a warning.

All of those suggestions benefit the other team, just in different ways. Basketball rules don't need to be made so complicated like baseball rules. We have enough penalty variations already. Don't need more. Unsportsmanship conduct is penalized somewhat harshly in most sports and that is what this was. A T is the only option there is, really.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

All of those suggestions benefit the other team, just in different ways. Basketball rules don't need to be made so complicated like baseball rules. We have enough penalty variations already. Don't need more. Unsportsmanship conduct is penalized somewhat harshly in most sports and that is what this was. A T is the only option there is, really.

Yeah. I just feel like that's an excessive penalty for what happened. Is there any rule support for any kind of warning here? Really anything short of what should typically amount to a big gift to the other team.