Ohio State vs VCU (Video 3/3)

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by AremRed

If you call an INT then you wipe the basket, have the fouled player shoot two free throws, and give the ball to the fouled team at the OOB location nearest where the foul occurred.

In the actual game this stem from, the basket was never good, so a moot aspect. However, if I recall the replays correctly, the ball was released before the FF1 (INT in HS) contact. So let's suppose the basket was good. Didn't we have a discussion earlier this season that an intentional foul by an airborne shooter does not negate the basket like a PC foul does?

Provided there was an INT foul called on the floor in HS, I think (sadly, but factually) you'd have to count the basket before marching to the other end to shoot the INT foul FTs.

Not an issue in NCAAM because a foul by an airborne shooter can never be a PC foul; score the basket regardless. But what about NCAAW? Do you treat a FF1 on this play the same way you do an INT in HS, i.e. the basket is good even though had it been a PC foul it wouldn't have been?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

In the actual game this stem from, the basket was never good, so a moot aspect. However, if I recall the replays correctly, the ball was released before the FF1 (INT in HS) contact. So let's suppose the basket was good. Didn't we have a discussion earlier this season that an intentional foul by an airborne shooter does not negate the basket like a PC foul does?

Provided there was an INT foul called on the floor in HS, I think (sadly, but factually) you'd have to count the basket before marching to the other end to shoot the INT foul FTs.

Not an issue in NCAAM because a foul by an airborne shooter can never be a PC foul; score the basket regardless. But what about NCAAW? Do you treat a FF1 on this play the same way you do an INT in HS, i.e. the basket is good even though had it been a PC foul it wouldn't have been?

Brain fart. Foul was on the offense. Causes the ball to become dead immediately. Duh.

Now had the ball entered the basket first somehow, and then the foul by the airborne shooter, now what do you have under the various rule sets?

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

In the actual game this stem from, the basket was never good, so a moot aspect. However, if I recall the replays correctly, the ball was released before the FF1 (INT in HS) contact. So let's suppose the basket was good. Didn't we have a discussion earlier this season that an intentional foul by an airborne shooter does not negate the basket like a PC foul does?

Provided there was an INT foul called on the floor in HS, I think (sadly, but factually) you'd have to count the basket before marching to the other end to shoot the INT foul FTs.

Under the HS ruleset which I limited my response to (and said so), the ball is dead immediately upon any player control foul. So unless the elbow happened after the ball passed through the basket I would wave it off.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Uh, the VCU player did make the layup on the player where he elbowed the OSU defender. And under the HS ruleset which I limited my response to (and said so), the ball is dead immediately upon any player control foul. So unless the elbow happened after the ball passed through the basket I would wave it off.

Nope.

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Nope.

Nevermind then.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Charge and Block calls on consecutive possessions by Ohio State. Between 6-5 minute mark.

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

5 minutes left in the game defender takes an elbow to the head trying to block a shot. No call at the time but play was stopped for a TO and he was bleeding a lot. Can you all walk me through the administration including differences in college from HS in regards to substitutions with injury, flagrant fouls, etc.

[Camron Rust]

#1...Block. It was very close and I wouldn't complain either way. I think the defender was still moving laterally into the path after the shooter left the floor.

#2...Block. Defender was moving towards the opponent at the time of contact. But, again, this was close. He wasn't moving forward much, but he was moving forward.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Under the HS ruleset which I limited my response to (and said so), the ball is dead immediately upon any player control foul. So unless the elbow happened after the ball passed through the basket I would wave it off.

Your first response was incorrect and so is your follow-up.
Under NFHS rules a player control foul MUST be a common foul. An intentional personal foul is not a common foul. Therefore, if the try is already released at the time of the intentional foul by the airborne shooter, then the basket would count.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Your first response was incorrect and so is your follow-up.
Under NFHS rules a player control foul MUST be a common foul. An intentional personal foul is not a common foul. Therefore, if the try is already released at the time of the intentional foul by the airborne shooter, then the basket would count.

You're right, of course. Per Camron's advice in this thread (post #25) I will be calling the excessive swinging of the elbows first, followed by a technical for excessive dead ball contact.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

You're right, of course. Per Camron's advice in this thread (post #25) I will be calling the excessive swinging of the elbows first, followed by a technical for excessive dead ball contact.

Now, I wasn't suggesting that you should do that, just that you could do that.

[Pantherdreams]

In real time my gut reaction was PC for 1 and 2.

Upon review and from multiple angles I could see why people could say block on #1. Depending on whether the 2nd step sideways to narrow his stance you consider him finalizing getting position or adjusting the position he already possesses.

I still think #2 is a PC. Contact happens before dribbler becomes a shooter so has no expectation of time and space and hits defense with feet on the ground.

Didn't see anything in real time for #3 so i could live with no call. Review got it right for #3.

[Nakht]

How would the penalty be enforced had the shot gone in on the play with the FF1? Does it nullify the basket?

When they went with the FF1 after review, did they resume play from the spot of the foul or from where the coach requested the timeout? Not the greatest with rule 11.