Backcourt violation?

[BryanV21]

I thought one of the conditions for a BC violation was that a player from Team A would have to be the last one to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt. I read the conditions wrong. Thankfully, that play hasn't happened to me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I thought one of the conditions BC violation was that a player from Team A would have to be the last one to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt. I read the conditions wrong. Thankfully, that play hasn't happened to me.

They WERE the last to touch the ball before it went iny the backcourt.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I thought one of the conditions for a BC violation was that a player from Team A would have to be the last one to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt. I read the conditions wrong. Thankfully, that play hasn't happened to me.

Those conditions still hold. At the point the ball is moving into the BC from the FC, who is the last to have touched it?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They WERE the last touch the ball before it went iny the backcourt.

The last to touch the ball while the player was in the frontcourt. Sorry, I thought that was implied in my post.

[MechanicGuy]

Moral of the story, get the F out of the way

[River Ref]

I have always understood that when on the court I am the same as the floor. But, now what if; I am inbounds near a side-line and a wild pass should hit me in the chest and deflect back onto the court. Had I not been there then the ball would clearly have gone OOB.I think I would have to go with an OOB. Correct? Would hate to see bouncing balls off of officials become part of plays.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by River Ref

I have always understood that when on the court I am the same as the floor. But, now what if; I am inbounds near a side-line and a wild pass should hit me in the chest and deflect back onto the court. Had I not been there then the ball would clearly have gone OOB.I think I would have to go with an OOB. Correct? Would hate to see bouncing balls off of officials become part of plays.

I don't like it either, but that's the rule.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by River Ref

I have always understood that when on the court I am the same as the floor. But, now what if; I am inbounds near a side-line and a wild pass should hit me in the chest and deflect back onto the court. Had I not been there then the ball would clearly have gone OOB.I think I would have to go with an OOB. Correct? Would hate to see bouncing balls off of officials become part of plays.

I've had a ball hit me in the chest or leg, effectively saving the ball, and at least one time, directly lead to a fast break at the other end. I didn't like it, but I didn't blow it dead either. Tough break for one team, lucky break for the other.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The referee is treated no differently than the floor at that spot. And since the ball has to touch a player from team A in order to get FC status, then no violation.

Three lashes and back to the rules book for you, junior!

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4-4-2,3,4:

A ball which is in contact with a player or with the court is in the
frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt.

A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last
in contact with a player or the court.

A ball which touches a player or an official is the same as the ball
touching the floor at that individual’s location.

Also:

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control
when coming from a throw-in); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must
be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after
the ball has been in the backcourt.

So, if I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having not yet not yet starting a dribble, and I throw the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in the backcourt, and I catch it, that's legal? That smells "fishy" to me, and it's not just in the state of Denmark.

Billy, this seems to be the act of dribbling, and comes under the "3 points touching in the front court" exception.

Thoughts?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Billy, this seems to be the act of dribbling, and comes under the "3 points touching in the front court" exception. Thoughts?

It is certainly a dribble. Good point. Never mind.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So, if I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having not yet not yet starting a dribble, and I throw the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in the backcourt, and I catch it, that's legal? That smells "fishy" to me, and it's not just in the state of Denmark.

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Billy, this seems to be the act of dribbling, and comes under the "3 points touching in the front court" exception.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It is certainly a dribble. Good point. Never mind.

I'll try again.

I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having already given up my dribble (not allowed to dribble again, three points across the division line are not relevant) and I pass the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in my backcourt, and the ball hits me in the leg. Legal? I don't think so.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'll try again.

I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having already given up my dribble (not allowed to dribble again, three points across the division line are not relevant) and I pass the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in the backcourt, and the ball hits me in the leg. Legal? I don't think so.

That seems to be illegal:

9-2 While in player and team control in its backcourt, a player shall not cause the ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt and return to backcourt, wothout the ball first touching a player in frontcourt, such that he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'll try again.

I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having already given up my dribble (not allowed to dribble again, three points across the division line are not relevant) and I pass the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in my backcourt, and the ball hits me in the leg. Legal? I don't think so.

Either illegal dribble or backcourt violation.
Your choice.

[Adam]

I just moved all the off topic posts to a new thread. It veered just a little too far off topic, from backcourt violations to illegal dribbles.