UNC/Boston College backcourt violation (Video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So how exactly did the Lead know that the player at midcourt with his back to him didn't catch the ball and then drop it into the backcourt? Why is he looking there?
If I'm the Lead, I'm not comig to help with this play. The Trail is going to have to live and die with his decision.

He might have been looking there to help chop the clock. I agree with you about not having all the information.

I had a play earlier in the year where on a rebound a offensive player saved a ball and threw it near the BC. I was the lead and nothing was called. I had no idea if it was touched or controlled, but I could tell by the reaction that something had happened. I left it alone because I had nothing to give but that a player threw the ball near the BC. It probably was a BC violation, but I was watching rebounding and making sure the player saving the ball was not fouled or continuous contact after save.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am perplexed as to how this was missed.

Peace

I wholeheartedly agree. And worse, the C was going with the original call and was transitioning to the other end of the floor. He saw the whole play as well, but obviously wasn't going to do anything about it. Great job by L....

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So how exactly did the Lead know that the player at midcourt with his back to him didn't catch the ball and then drop it into the backcourt? Why is he looking there?
If I'm the Lead, I'm not comig to help with this play. The Trail is going to have to live and die with his decision.

Unless NCAA is different than NFHS, he would be looking there to start the clock on the first touch.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I had a play earlier in the year where on a rebound a offensive player saved a ball and threw it near the BC. I was the lead and nothing was called. I had no idea if it was touched or controlled, but I could tell by the reaction that something had happened. I left it alone because I had nothing to give but that a player threw the ball near the BC. It probably was a BC violation, but I was watching rebounding and making sure the player saving the ball was not fouled or continuous contact after save.

Peace

I had the reverse of this (2 man). I was trail, ball was in opposite corner so I'm looking at off ball post play. Ball goes flying into back court and I have no idea if the offense was last to touch. The offensive player hesitated and then grabbed it. I hit my whistle for a backcourt violation, thinking that a whistle could be corrected, but no whistle couldn't. Based on the coach's reaction to the call, I went to my partner and asked if the ball was last touched in the FC by the defense. He said it was, so I changed to an inadvertant whistle. Wish my partner had come to me right away, but I guess he assumed I had seen something else.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You'd be amazed at home many officials don't really know the rules. I've had to correct this on more than one occasion, even with college officials, where they just do not know the rule.

Luckily, those partners know to trust me when I tell them what the rule is.

Even had a question come of Friday night at the watering hole after games relating to backcourt violations. There were a few that didn't believe me. I offered to put $100 down to back up my point...even increased it to $1000. Unfortunately, no one would bite. I should have given some good odds. I could have made it a very profitable night.

+1

Many get that leg up with; great appearance, strong mechanics, fitness, ability to handle pressure and other strong personalities, confidence, and personal relationships (networking). There are a lot of officials that have similar abilities, and these are some of the things that can separate you from the herd. Rules knowledge aside I believe at least most D1 or higher officials possess many if not all of these intangibles.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So how exactly did the Lead know that the player at midcourt with his back to him didn't catch the ball and then drop it into the backcourt? Why is he looking there?
If I'm the Lead, I'm not comig to help with this play. The Trail is going to have to live and die with his decision.

Isn't the Lead responsible for chopping the clock on FC end line throw-ins?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I had the reverse of this (2 man). I was trail, ball was in opposite corner so I'm looking at off ball post play. Ball goes flying into back court and I have no idea if the offense was last to touch. The offensive player hesitated and then grabbed it. I hit my whistle for a backcourt violation, thinking that a whistle could be corrected, but no whistle couldn't. Based on the coach's reaction to the call, I went to my partner and asked if the ball was last touched in the FC by the defense. He said it was, so I changed to an inadvertent whistle. Wish my partner had come to me right away, but I guess he assumed I had seen something else.

This is one where the L should be making the backcourt call (or not)...assuming there is no close play at the division line that would need the T's position to see. Short of that, the L could indicate to the trail, with a tip signal, that the ball was indeed tipped coming out of the L's primary.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This is one where the L should be making the backcourt call (or not)...assuming there is no close play at the division line that would need the T's position to see. Short of that, the L could indicate to the trail, with a tip signal, that the ball was indeed tipped coming out of the L's primary.

Correct. In that two-person game, the Trail should not have blown his whistle and instead looked to his partner for the new tip signal.