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bballref3966 Sat Feb 07, 2015 03:25pm

UNC/Boston College backcourt violation (Video)
 
12:37 first half ACC Network.

APG Sun Feb 08, 2015 08:40am

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SC Official Sun Feb 08, 2015 08:57am

No control established inbounds. Great job by the lead to come in and get it right.

(If only the NFHS would copy the NCAA wording on backcourt violations.)

crosscountry55 Sun Feb 08, 2015 09:01am

Took some guts for the lead to come up and provide that info. Trail was contrite and realized pretty quickly that he made a mistake. A little embarrassing, but hey, we all have brain farts from time to time. Great crew help, inadvertent whistle, BC gets the ball, and we play on. Well done.

bob jenkins Sun Feb 08, 2015 09:14am

It doesn't look like they inbounded it at the correct spot after the IW.

WhistlesAndStripes Sun Feb 08, 2015 09:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 954158)
It doesn't look like they inbounded it at the correct spot after the IW.

I disagree. They started to do it table side, but then they threw it across the court and administered it on the sideline closest to where the ball was when the IW occurred.

bob jenkins Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:01am

Yes -- but at about :43 of the tape, the inbounder is adjacent to the FC of white -- when the IW was in the BC of white.

Adam Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:27am

Oops. I feel a lot better now about doing what the lead does here in a freshman girls game a few years ago.

JRutledge Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:28am

I am perplexed as to how this was missed.

Peace

Adam Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 954189)
I am perplexed as to how this was missed.

Peace

Momentary brain fart.

frezer11 Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 954189)
I am perplexed as to how this was missed.

Peace

Not to justify it, but I think a lot of the times a player's reaction to something subconsciously influences the official. I'm certain the trail knows the rules, and they did get it right in the end, but seeing the kid pause like that, probably just clouded the judgment a little.

JRutledge Sun Feb 08, 2015 01:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 954207)
Not to justify it, but I think a lot of the times a player's reaction to something subconsciously influences the official. I'm certain the trail knows the rules, and they did get it right in the end, but seeing the kid pause like that, probably just clouded the judgment a little.

I am sorry, but this should not be missed. I get the brain fart could happen, but this is a very basic rule and interpretation. This is not even the NF interpretation which creates some confusion. This rule has not been any different in the entire 20 years of my career at any level including the NCAA level. How does someone not know this at that level? It is one thing if we have a judgment, but a rule to be missed like this is unacceptable. This tells me that guys at this level potentially are not in their rulebooks or never got the rule before they got to this level. But I would be so terrified to miss a rule I read them all the time to try to understand even unusual situations. This was so basic and can happen multiple times a game, this should never be missed unless you are just "getting by" in your rules knowledge. The kid's reaction should not have influenced anything. Kids try to save the ball in the BC after a rebound, why would I care what a kid thinks the rule is?

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Feb 08, 2015 01:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 954189)
I am perplexed as to how this was missed.

Peace

You'd be amazed at home many officials don't really know the rules. I've had to correct this on more than one occasion, even with college officials, where they just do not know the rule.

Luckily, those partners know to trust me when I tell them what the rule is.

Even had a question come of Friday night at the watering hole after games relating to backcourt violations. There were a few that didn't believe me. I offered to put $100 down to back up my point...even increased it to $1000. Unfortunately, no one would bite. I should have given some good odds. I could have made it a very profitable night. ;)

JRutledge Sun Feb 08, 2015 01:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 954224)
You'd be amazed at home many officials don't really know the rules. I've had to correct this on more than one occasion, even with college officials, where they just do not know the rule.

Luckily, those partners know to trust me when I tell them what the rule is.

Actually I am not surprised at all. I have dealt with many officials over the years that give explanations for their plays they call and it has nothing to do with the rules.

I had a college game this year where an official justified a call that I made by saying something that was not apart of the rule. And I might have missed the call but did not call the play for the reason my partner thought I called the play for. I just shook my head and went on about my way. It would have been too frustrating to even broach the subject any further.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 954224)
Even had a question come of Friday night at the watering hole after games relating to backcourt violations. There were a few that didn't believe me. I offered to put $100 down to back up my point...even increased it to $1000. Unfortunately, no one would bite. I should have given some good odds. I could have made it a very profitable night. ;)

I had an individual try to argue with me over a uniform rule. I even went to our head person with an email and he still claims I was not right based on the bet. So it is often very disappointing what people do not know.

Peace

BillyMac Sun Feb 08, 2015 01:54pm

Even After Thirty-Four Years ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 954228)
So it is often very disappointing what people do not know.

Include me on your list. I don't make any claim to knowing all the rules, all of the time. I just keep on trying to learn.

We (not directed at JRutledge) should all take a lesson from John 8:7: When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

I'm probably not going to be throwing many stones. When I see guys screw up, I just think, "There but for the grace of God, go I", and then I just try to straighten them out.


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