Coaches on Sidelines Who "Need a Get Back Coach"

[Rich1]

I try to be patent and will usually follow these steps until I get the desired result:

1. Verbal reminder as I run by to stay off court
2. Go over to coach at next dead ball and sternky tell him to stay in his box
3. Stop game and issue an official warning
4. Whack!

If the situation warrants I may skip steps. For instance, if I run into a coach who is standing on the court its an automatic T.

[johnny d]

One warning. After that he will be getting a technical foul, the only thing up for debate is how he gets it. If he hasn't really been an asswipe except for being on the court coaching, I will just issue him a T. If he is being an asswipe in addition to being on the court, I am going to make sure to run into during a transition play and then I am going to issue him a T. I am not quite as big as BNR, but he will know when I run him over running full speed.

[twocentsworth]

Prior to the opening tip...simply walk over to the bench & ask ALL of the assistant coaches: "Alright guys...who is my "Get Back Coach" tonight? Help keep him in the box so he doesn't get in trouble...OK?".

Now you've identified another person, besides the Head Coach, who you can go to help w/ this issue.

Now, when it becomes a problem later in the game, I can ask the "Get Back Coach" to help, ask the head coach directly, and THEN assess the "T" when needed. ("Coach, I asked both you AND your assistant for help in staying in the box, then I warned you and it still didn't help. I did everything I could and was left with no choice.")

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Prior to the opening tip...simply walk over to the bench & ask ALL of the assistant coaches: "Alright guys...who is my "Get Back Coach" tonight? Help keep him in the box so he doesn't get in trouble...OK?".

Now you've identified another person, besides the Head Coach, who you can go to help w/ this issue.

Now, when it becomes a problem later in the game, I can ask the "Get Back Coach" to help, ask the head coach directly, and THEN assess the "T" when needed. ("Coach, I asked both you AND your assistant for help in staying in the box, then I warned you and it still didn't help. I did everything I could and was left with no choice.")

Great football advice.

Not so much in basketball. Deal with the HC.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Rich1

3. Stop game and issue an official warning

Did a fifth official warning get added recently?

[Rich]

I'm a softy, I guess. I work with the coach as long as he's not bothering me.

As the C I'm sharing his coaching box frequently. I can work around him if he works around me.

[Zoochy]

As the 'C' official, I love just standing directly in front of them so they can't see their players. As the Coach moves, then I move. Plus I am just a step inside the court. Thus the Coach is right on my back.
Fun times

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich1

I try to be patent and will usually follow these steps until I get the desired result:

1. Verbal reminder as I run by to stay off court
2. Go over to coach at next dead ball and sternky tell him to stay in his box
3. Stop game and issue an official warning
4. Whack!

If the situation warrants I may skip steps. For instance, if I run into a coach who is standing on the court its an automatic T.

1, 2, and 3 are the same step. ONE warning. then whack.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich1

I try to be patent and will usually follow these steps until I get the desired result:

1. Verbal reminder as I run by to stay off court
2. Go over to coach at next dead ball and sternky tell him to stay in his box
3. Stop game and issue an official warning
4. Whack!

If the situation warrants I may skip steps. For instance, if I run into a coach who is standing on the court its an automatic T.

Why are you giving three warnings? And what is an "official warning?"

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Adam

Why are you giving three warnings? And what is an "official warning?"

While I'm not a big fan of this thread (I'm a softy like Rich), I do want to address the "official warning" for those that have inquired. You won't find it in the rule book, but after subtle and/or private dealings with the HC prove fruitless and their behavior starts to grind on the crew, you stop the game and issue an "official warning." This is done openly and verbally so that the coach, the table and your partner all know what's up. After I'm done with the coach, for example, I turn to the table and say loudly, "This coach has been warned." Some college assignors even mandate a footnote in the book when this is done. Bottom line, it's a last chance for the coach to recognize he's out of rope, and it helps you CYA if you have to whack him later, because it's not like everyone in the gym won't have seen it coming.

Another tool for your kit. Lots of times coaches enjoy finding out what your threshold is, so this kind of public reprimand without penalizing satisfies them and shuts them up. Often very effective.

[Rich1]

While I have been trained that actually putting it in the book is an effective tool, I have seldom done it. By "official" I meant a more formal warning to put the coach (and entire gym) on notice that he's crossing that line. I try to be very patient but do have my limits. Going from friendly, to informal, to formal, gives the coach every opportunity to correct borderline behavior before getting the punishment.

[JRutledge]

If I have to avoid a coach on a basketball court by them being on the court, the only option is me giving them a T. For one it is for my safety as well as the safety of the players that might run into them. I will do everything to tell them to move back, but I am not babysitting. They know the darn rule and we have a rule that is highly expected to be enforced around here. I will be supported just by giving a T if I have to go through all of that drama.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If I have to avoid a coach on a basketball court by them being on the court, the only option is me giving them a T. For one it is for my safety as well as the safety of the players that might run into them. I will do everything to tell them to move back, but I am not babysitting. They know the darn rule and we have a rule that is highly expected to be enforced around here. I will be supported just by giving a T if I have to go through all of that drama.

Peace

So many courts have no room on the sidelines and the benches are right up against the court -- they just aren't well constructed for 3-person mechanics. If I'm the C, I want to be out of bounds 90% of the time, on the sideline. That's also in the middle of the coaching box. I'm happy to share.

One coach moved me once and I would've been well within my rights to whack him, but I didn't sense anything malicious so I told him that he gets to move me only if I get to move him if I need to. He laughed, I laughed.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

So many courts have no room on the sidelines and the benches are right up against the court -- they just aren't well constructed for 3-person mechanics. If I'm the C, I want to be out of bounds 90% of the time, on the sideline. That's also in the middle of the coaching box. I'm happy to share.

One coach moved me once and I would've been well within my rights to whack him, but I didn't sense anything malicious so I told him that he gets to move me only if I get to move him if I need to. He laughed, I laughed.

There are a lot of gyms here or the newer ones have more than enough room for benches and coaches. Maybe 15 years ago I could totally agree with that assessment, but that is not so much the case anymore. And I am not nitpicking a coach's shoes over the line either. I am just not going to do a lot to avoid a coach.

I also do not need to be out of bounds, especially in 3 person mechanics at the C. The ball is usually on the other side of the court at that time so I cannot think of why I would need to be out of bounds. If I am T, I am almost always on the court, so this is not much of an issue for me.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

While I'm not a big fan of this thread (I'm a softy like Rich), I do want to address the "official warning" for those that have inquired. You won't find it in the rule book, but after subtle and/or private dealings with the HC prove fruitless and their behavior starts to grind on the crew, you stop the game and issue an "official warning." This is done openly and verbally so that the coach, the table and your partner all know what's up. After I'm done with the coach, for example, I turn to the table and say loudly, "This coach has been warned." Some college assignors even mandate a footnote in the book when this is done. Bottom line, it's a last chance for the coach to recognize he's out of rope, and it helps you CYA if you have to whack him later, because it's not like everyone in the gym won't have seen it coming.

Another tool for your kit. Lots of times coaches enjoy finding out what your threshold is, so this kind of public reprimand without penalizing satisfies them and shuts them up. Often very effective.

Unless mandated to do so, I'd avoid this.

1. This sets coaches up to think the warning is necessary. It's not.
2. I prefer to warn the coach quietly rather than showing him up in front of the entire gym. We don't want him showing us up, so I try to extend the same courtesy. There are plenty of opportunities to update my partners. We pregame this, if one of us warns the coach, let the others know so he doesn't end up getting three warnings.
3. I'm not worrying about covering my ass. Every T here comes with a report that takes about 10 minutes (at most). My report is sufficient CYA.
4. I've generally had more success with the private chat than the public reprimand. I've had quite a few private chats that result in the coach admitting, "I'm just trying to get what I can." I normally respond with, "I know, Bill."
5. A quiet "coach, I've heard you, we need to move on" is most effective for me. The coach knows he's got to stop, and if he doesn't, we'll shoot some free throws.