Another wrong team question

[Chris Whitten]

A/P throw in for Team A. Official mistakenly allows B1 to step out for the throw-in and he completes the throw-in to B2. Anything preventing switching the arrow to B?

[crosscountry55]

If the officials recognize that the error occurred after the throw-in ended, then it's too late to make a correction. The arrow should remain with Team A and it should have the next opportunity to make an AP throw-in.

See case 6.4.1 Situation D(a), which isn't exactly the same but uses the same logic sequence.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

A/P throw in for Team A. Official mistakenly allows B1 to step out for the throw-in and he completes the throw-in to B2. Anything preventing switching the arrow to B?

Yes. A riot, and several technical fouls. Possibly a forfeited game. Plus, a lot of ejection reports that the referee has to file with the state office. Possibly, a keyed car, and a few slashed tires, in the parking lot. No cold bottled water after the game. Don't expect the showers to have any hot water. No Christmas card from the coach next season. Probably not getting that coach's vote for the state tournament. At least you won't be going back there anymore in this lifetime.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

A/P throw in for Team A. Official mistakenly allows B1 to step out for the throw-in and he completes the throw-in to B2. Anything preventing switching the arrow to B?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Yes. A riot, and several technical fouls. Possibly a forfeited game. Plus, a lot of ejection reports that the referee has to file with the state office. Possibly, a keyed car, and a few slashed tires, in the parking lot. No cold bottled water after the game. Don't expect the showers to have any hot water. No Christmas card from the coach next season. Probably not getting that coach's vote for the state tournament. At least you won't be going back there anymore in this lifetime.

First, we want to apply:

NHFS Casebook Play 6.4.1 Situation D(a): It is Team B's turn for the next throw-in under the alternation possession procedure. By mistake, Team A is given that throw-in. Team A commits a throw-in violation. RULING: Once the throw-in ends it is too late to change anything. The throw-in ends when Team A violates and results in a throw-in for Team B as well as the arrow for the next alternating possession.


Therefore, in the OP, the AP Throw-in ended when it was legally touched by B2. But Team A will retain the AP Arrow. And you can tell Team A's HC that his team is going to get two of the next three AP Arrows.

And Billy is probably correct. LOL!

There is something to be said to putting the Ball back into play with a Jump Ball, .

MTD, Sr.


P.S. The Caseball Play had Teams A and B reversed from the OP and I switched them around in my mind while composing my OP.

[Raymond]

mark, the case play you cited does not support the ruling you typed below it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

mark, the case place you cited does not support the ruling you typed below it.

DOH!! I was watching TV and eating dinner with the Better Half and didn't pay attention to the fact the Teams A and B were the opposite in the Casebook Play from the OP. I corrected my OP.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Therefore, in the OP, the AP Throw-in ended when it was legally touched by B2. The AP Arrow will be reversed to Team B. And you cannot even tell Team A's HC that is team is going to get two of the next three AP Arrows.

Not correct according to an NFHS ruling which states that a team should not be awarded consecutive AP throw-ins if the officials are aware of it. However, I can't seem to locate that ruling at this time!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Not correct according to this NFHS ruling:

Read my correction and my response to BadNewsRef.

MTD, Sr.

[Chris Whitten]

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

take a look at the actual play in the case book that Mark cited. 6.4.1 D. that is the reference. normally, you do change the arrow when the throw in legally touched/ends. however, usually the ball is given to the right team. here the arrow is pointing to A but you gave the ball to B. if you dont fix it before the throw in ends you have converted this AP throwin for A to one for B. the next one will go to A. the arrow is already pointing to A so you dont have to worry about changing it.

you can get that from reading the actual play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

Yes, it's turned to the team that did not execute the last A.P. throw-in. So if the wrong team threw the ball in, then the arrow is placed towards the team that should have.

Do not overthink this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

When the ball is legally touched inbounds isn't the arrow required to be switched? I agree it is logical that a team is not allowed consecutive A/P throws in, but where may I find that reference?

If A is entitled to a throw in and they never get it, you don't switch the arrow.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

If A is entitled to a throw in and they never get it, you don't switch the arrow.

I agree -- but it is hard to prove it just from the rules.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree -- but it is hard to prove it just from the rules.

There has to be a point when common sense sets in.

[just another ref]

I also don't see where it specifically says that you give the ball to the team whose basket the arrow points to. Some things you just have to figure out. It does say that the arrow is reversed when an alternating possession throw-in ends. I submit that if the throw-in is made by the team not favored by the arrow, it is not an alternating possession throw-in. It is simply a mistake. Therefore the arrow will not be reversed.