Just like a test question!

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Adam

I never suggested that. I don't happen to agree that a visible count is necessary: that's a legitimate point of contention.

If you have a mental count, that's enough. If you're not counting in your head, though, that's not definite knowledge: it's a guess.

I apologize. I misread your statement below to mean a visible count.

Originally Posted by Adam

If I don't have a count, I'm not doing anything, because I don't have enough information.

However, it was suggested by others that a visible count is required.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Can't use a three second count to take time off the clock, it must be a visible count.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree. Any count which is going to be used to remove time needs to be a visible count in this age of video. I'm not getting called in later to defend a mental count. The arm swings will show up on the video.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I apologize. I misread your statement below to mean a visible count.




However, it was suggested by others that a visible count is required.

No worries, I realized the misunderstanding. It's not blatantly clear, but I had already agreed with bob when he challenged the post by SNIPER.

I will say this, though. If I'm going to end a quarter on my count, I'm using a visible count. I want THAT on tape.

[SNIPERBBB]

Our association wants a visible count to be used. Time is a very subjective measure and one persons count can be much slower or faster than what a clock would measure.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Time is a very subjective measure and one persons count can be much slower or faster than what a clock would measure.

That's true of visible counts too...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Our association wants a visible count to be used. Time is a very subjective measure and one persons count can be much slower or faster than what a clock would measure.

Do what your association wants, but that's different than claiming it's required by rule.

The rulebook says very little about visible counts and what counts as "definite knowledge", how do you guys define that?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

The rulebook says very little about visible counts and what counts as "definite knowledge", how do you guys define that?

For me personally, it's when I have a visible count, or when I'm consciously counting in my head (as in the last few seconds of a period, especially the last period).

For me definite knowledge would never be me mentally going back and trying to remember how much time had passed (unless I was actually counting). If I'm not counting, then it's not definite knowledge.