Court involvement.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

Still, OSSAA really ought to have a mechanism in place to remedy situations like this where a clear misapplication of the rules significantly alters a game, especially in a high-stakes situation like a state quarterfinal.

They do. It is called referees on the field. They get a chance after every play where a penalty flag is thrown to discuss the enforcement. If they still get it wrong, too bad, it is done. Most sports would become a nightmare if they permitted post event review of decisions in a way that could change the outcome of the game. There are so many judgement calls throughout basketball and football, there really is no sense in letting the review of one play change the result.

[DRJ1960]

At what point in the playoff schedule should a State Rep be on site to handle "appeals"?

(Similar to a UIC at a Tournament).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

At what point in the playoff schedule should a State Rep be on site to handle "appeals"?

(Similar to a UIC at a Tournament).

For all games after the state final has concluded. jmo, of course.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They do. It is called referees on the field. They get a chance after every play where a penalty flag is thrown to discuss the enforcement. If they still get it wrong, too bad, it is done. Most sports would become a nightmare if they permitted post event review of decisions in a way that could change the outcome of the game. There are so many judgement calls throughout basketball and football, there really is no sense in letting the review of one play change the result.

What's more, the coach could have requested a conference with the referee to challenge the ruling when it was made but of course didn't because he didn't know the rule either.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

What's more, the coach could have requested a conference with the referee to challenge the ruling when it was made but of course didn't because he didn't know the rule either.

Not to mention that he was apparently too busy arguing about the flag being thrown at all.

[Sharpshooternes]

All I know for sure is that female reporter is a moron.

[dsqrddgd909]

Court has ruled. http://media2.kjrh.com/html/pdfs/footballdecision.pdf

Not a lawyer, but it seems like a well reasoned decision.

See bottom of page 2 in particular.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

All I know for sure is that female reporter is a moron.

You should hear the local sports radio guy talk about her.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

What's more, the coach could have requested a conference with the referee to challenge the ruling when it was made but of course didn't because he didn't know the rule either.

I'm not a football official, but I was talking with a basketball partner who does football about this case. He pretty much said the same thing, that the head coach has a window to clarify the enforcement of a penalty (and would be charged a time out or a penalty if he's wrong). If this head coach never used this window, then that's a glaring error on the coach, and he should have owned up to that and stopped this appeals nonsense.

That doesn't absolve the crew from this error at all, but some responsibility has to go on the coach.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm not a football official, but I was talking with a basketball partner who does football about this case. He pretty much said the same thing, that the head coach has a window to clarify the enforcement of a penalty (and would be charged a time out or a penalty if he's wrong). If this head coach never used this window, then that's a glaring error on the coach, and he should have owned up to that and stopped this appeals nonsense.

That doesn't absolve the crew from this error at all, but some responsibility has to go on the coach.

Who knows if they would have listened to him though?

I just can't believe that with five officials on the field, someone didn't step up and offer the correct enforcement of the penalty.

[mutantducky]

I agree with the Court's decision but I do think there should be some kind of review. I would even be willing to accept protests kind of how the NBA does. Not for judgement calls or missed calls. Those are going to happen and it would be too big of a mess to sort out. But here you have an unusual play with an incorrect ruling that clearly impacted the outcome. That's unfair to the losing team. I have no problem if local associations put something in place to lessen the chance of that happening but good luck working that out!



not sure why some of you are hating on the female reporter?

[paulsonj72]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I agree with the Court's decision but I do think there should be some kind of review. I would even be willing to accept protests kind of how the NBA does. Not for judgement calls or missed calls. Those are going to happen and it would be too big of a mess to sort out. But here you have an unusual play with an incorrect ruling that clearly impacted the outcome. That's unfair to the losing team. I have no problem if local associations put something in place to lessen the chance of that happening but good luck working that out!



not sure why some of you are hating on the female reporter?

Coach had a chance to argue that the rule was improperly applied during the game and failed to take advantage of the rule.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by paulsonj72

Coach had a chance to argue that the rule was improperly applied during the game and failed to take advantage of the rule.

As I understand most protest procedures, they are predicated upon the team that protests specifically objecting to the rule application at the time it was made -- doesn't sound like that happened here . . .