Oklahoma/Butler Foul and Contact Dead Ball T (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Tough to call a T only on the OK player when the Butler player kept harassing and riding him long after the whistle. If it is for contact, I think you have to get them both or neither.

However, it appears the OK player had some words which might have drawn the T ( I have no sound where I'm listening so I can't tell what he did or didn't say if it was picked up in the clip). It is possible the T was for the trash talk and not the contact?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is possible the T was for the trash talk and not the contact?

Nope, it was for the contact. One of the officials explained the call to the announcers.

[SC Official]

This is why I hate the contact dead ball technical foul rule. Why does that mild elbow to the back warrant a more severe penalty than jawing while the ball is dead?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

This is why I hate the contact dead ball technical foul rule. Why does that mild elbow to the back warrant a more severe penalty than jawing while the ball is dead?

Why are you throwing and elbow? You got the call, move on. Now you act like a fool and think no one sees you. The elbow was on purpose. It was not severe or flagrant, but he certainly did it on purpose. And if you do not want to be called for that, control you temper.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by SC Official

This is why I hate the contact dead ball technical foul rule. Why does that mild elbow to the back warrant a more severe penalty than jawing while the ball is dead?

You think trash-talking (or whatever you want to call it) is a bigger deal than an elbow (minor or not)?

While neither activity is okay, I'm more concerned about things getting physical. If I hear players jawing I can step in and stop it before a push or punch is thrown. Once physical aggression happens then pushing and other fighting activity can occur before I can intervene. And who wants to deal with fights?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

You think trash-talking (or whatever you want to call it) is a bigger deal than an elbow (minor or not)?

While neither activity is okay, I'm more concerned about things getting physical. If I hear players jawing I can step in and stop it before a push or punch is thrown. Once physical aggression happens then pushing and other fighting activity can occur before I can intervene. And who wants to deal with fights?

I'm more concerned with letting the defender continue to push on him after the whistle until he reacts and not addressing the contact from the defender. Get them both if you're going to call "that" elbow.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm more concerned with letting the defender continue to push on him after the whistle until he reacts and not addressing the contact from the defender. Get them both if you're going to call "that" elbow.

I agree with you on that play, I was just speaking on calling the elbow vs. calling the trash-talking. If the defender hadn't "ridden" the offensive player then the elbow wouldn't have happened. The one that instigated the issue is just as much at fault as the one that reacted to it.

[JRutledge]

I think the contact from the defender was normal and not malicious. The ball handler has to use his head that is all.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Tough to call a T only on the OK player when the Butler player kept harassing and riding him long after the whistle. If it is for contact, I think you have to get them both or neither.

However, it appears the OK player had some words which might have drawn the T ( I have no sound where I'm listening so I can't tell what he did or didn't say if it was picked up in the clip). It is possible the T was for the trash talk and not the contact?

I agree, i would have like to seen C or T get in there, sound another whistle etc when Butler keeps riding him. have to referee the dead ball.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Tough to call a T only on the OK player when the Butler player kept harassing and riding him long after the whistle. If it is for contact, I think you have to get them both or neither.

Totally agree. The Butler player was punking him. The whistle had blown and he was purposefully continuing to make contact with the Oklahoma player.

Could be a double T. Could be a “Hey, knock that crap off guys.”, depending on how the rest of the game has gone, etc.

[jeremy341a]

Just to play devils advocate here, but If the defender could have stopped moving laterally after the whistle couldn't the offensive player stopped moving forward?