Oklahoma/Butler Foul and Contact Dead Ball T (Video)

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by SC Official

This is why I hate the contact dead ball technical foul rule. Why does that mild elbow to the back warrant a more severe penalty than jawing while the ball is dead?

You think trash-talking (or whatever you want to call it) is a bigger deal than an elbow (minor or not)?

While neither activity is okay, I'm more concerned about things getting physical. If I hear players jawing I can step in and stop it before a push or punch is thrown. Once physical aggression happens then pushing and other fighting activity can occur before I can intervene. And who wants to deal with fights?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

You think trash-talking (or whatever you want to call it) is a bigger deal than an elbow (minor or not)?

While neither activity is okay, I'm more concerned about things getting physical. If I hear players jawing I can step in and stop it before a push or punch is thrown. Once physical aggression happens then pushing and other fighting activity can occur before I can intervene. And who wants to deal with fights?

I'm more concerned with letting the defender continue to push on him after the whistle until he reacts and not addressing the contact from the defender. Get them both if you're going to call "that" elbow.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm more concerned with letting the defender continue to push on him after the whistle until he reacts and not addressing the contact from the defender. Get them both if you're going to call "that" elbow.

I agree with you on that play, I was just speaking on calling the elbow vs. calling the trash-talking. If the defender hadn't "ridden" the offensive player then the elbow wouldn't have happened. The one that instigated the issue is just as much at fault as the one that reacted to it.

[JRutledge]

I think the contact from the defender was normal and not malicious. The ball handler has to use his head that is all.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the contact from the defender was normal and not malicious. The ball handler has to use his head that is all.

Peace

I agree. And neither was the half-assed fling of the arm. But it was not normal that long after the whistle. He could have easily stopped and chose not to. Absent the unnecessary and easily avoidable extra dead ball contact from the defender, the elbow doesn't happen.

Tough play. At first I thought the tech was on the defensive player, until I saw the elbow. Both players were at fault for not stopping, and the offensive player was the only one to escalate so I agree with the call. Not much you can do here other than hit the whistle, close down, and hope they stop. It's on them.

[Kansas Ref]

Yes the black player rode the white team player, in an apparently chastising manner, long after the blocking violation was called. In effect, black continued fouling white after the whistle by continually riding/hedging white after the whistle, no?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Yes the black player rode the white team player, in an apparently chastising manner, long after the blocking violation was called. In effect, black continued fouling white after the whistle by continually riding/hedging white after the whistle, no?

Right. And the halfhearted "elbow" was no more significant than what the defender was doing. Both deserved the T if one deserved the T. Both were responsible for dead ball contact of a similar intensity.