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(I was an 11 year old soccer referee many, many moons ago, so I get where you are coming from -- I tossed a coach when I was 12 . . . I also did basketball as a teenager but that was in a church school league that didn't really have a lot of coach issues, so I don't have a great tool set to share -- soccer control tools can be a bit different due to the difference in the setting.) |
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I believe my HS associations contracts are written that schools are afforded a set amount of free scrimmages.
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We are "required to work ~ 4 free scrimmages, and I don't mind it one bit.
I enjoy prepping for the season and make my $ later in the year. Say what you will. PS - I get to pick my games/schools and don't have to travel far. I truly love my avocation.
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It is one thing to willing volunteer your time. It is a something significantly different for the schools, association, or assignor to expect or demand people donate their time. |
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I have been told (you know how that works) that Central VA schools may pay a travel fee for scrimmages and it goes into our associations kitty to balance out the schools we "low bid" during the season. That way all regular games pay the same fee.
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It's in the contracts, part of negotiations. No strong arming involved.
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I still have not gotten an answer yet to this question. Are these regular games or game like situations cloaked in a pre-season event? Because a scrimmage here is a inter-squad contest which is often very informal and not very heated. The only time I have ever thought of giving a T in any of these type of games, was as a gag that the coaches were in on the gag. I cannot even imagine a coach getting that upset over any call. And if they got upset, a T would not come to mind.
Also, some pay. Others do not. And usually we bring multiple officials to them so the guys can work and get to see ball they normally might not see. We use these as training opportunities more than anything. That is why I cannot understand a coach getting that upset over all call. Peace
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One of the reasons I started this thread was to hear opinions of giving technicals in scrimmages and preseason. Assignors seem to not like it. Veterans tell us it's a bad idea.. But it's what an official would do in a regular contest. Why is there a difference between a T in a scrimmage vs. a T in a game? And to settle it, no thiese games did not pay, but guess who got free pizza before he got ran out of the gym |
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Now the situation makes a little more sense to me. Teams cannot play each other before the actual season starts. So we have no such conflict like what was described.
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The schools, Ohio, (and SE Michigan) pay the officials for the scrimmages. I don't know of any official who would expose himself, liability wise, and not be compensated for his work.
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What was the format of your scrimmage? Exact same rules as a regular game (4 quarters, shoot 1-and-1 at 7 fouls in half, etc...)? Also - u never answered my previous question. U said the team A was upset because u called the foul on A2 instead of A1. Did u mean to say B2? Or, did they think u had the wrong guy on team A? |
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In Illinois the minute you register with the state association you are covered by a million dollar insurance policy. This policy covers not only high school related events but grade school, ymca, etc whether you are paid or not. Check with your state. You likely have something similar. Also, referees aren't losing cases. A thread for another day. As basketball official, if player is hurt--don't play doctor unless you are one. And give them all the time in the world to get the person off the Court. Don't Rush them. ...and don't hit anybody... |
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