Free Throw At Wrong Basket

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am done with the Celsius to Kelvin discussion and will now address the original play.

First, the OP stated that A1 was awarded two FTs, but the OP only talks about one FT being shot and that it was missed. Therefore, based upon the information in the OP I am going to making an educated assumption A1's first FT was successful, therefore the A1's missed FT that A2 rebounded and attempted a successful two-point FG was is second FT attempt.

Therefore, I my ruling would be as such:

1) Boy what an idiot I am for Resuming Play after the Team TO by having the teams play in the wrong direction.

2) The CE Time Limit had not expired.

3) The FG by A2 counts.

4) A1 attempted his FTs at the wrong basket; this is a CE.

5) The point for A1's first FT does not count because of the CE.

6) A1 will attempt two FTs at the correct basket with the FT Lane Spaces unoccupied.

7) Team B will receive the ball for a Throw-in anywhere along the End Line in Team A's Frontcourt (Team B's Backcourt) after A1 has finished attempting his two FTs.

MTD, Sr.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think you can have both of those.

Either:

(a) the officials allowed everyone to go the wrong way -- the FT is missed, A2's basket counts for A, line everyone up and go the right way with a throw in for B, or

(b) the FT was at the wrong end -- A re-shoots at the right end, A2's basket counts for B, A gets a throw-in.

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I agree, the two options are at variance and cannot be "co applied" , so please select either a or b?

Interesting thought. What one do you go with?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Interesting thought. What one do you go with?

Of all the CEs, this is the dumbest, IMO, as it doesn't really affect anything. This scenario is a hole in the rules, IMO, so I'm nto sure how I'd rule. I'd just hope I could look back and see one team or the other with the ball ready for a throw in after that FT before we killed the play.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Adam

Of all the CEs, this is the dumbest, IMO, as it doesn't really affect anything. This scenario is a hole in the rules, IMO, so I'm nto sure how I'd rule. I'd just hope I could look back and see one team or the other with the ball ready for a throw in after that FT before we killed the play.

I agree with you there. Not sure why you need a CE for a free throw at the wrong basket.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I agree with you there. Not sure why you need a CE for a free throw at the wrong basket.

Yeah, I don't get that either. Just allow whatever happened before the error was found and continue at the correct basket. Why re-do the attempts? I guess it's in case one side is more advantageous to shoot at (fans and other distractions at one end?), therefore making them shoot at one or the other evens things out. But is it just that, in which case it seems silly?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I guess it's in case one side is more advantageous to shoot at?

Wind? Sun in eyes?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Wind? Sun in eyes?

Hey, don't laugh. We play summer ball outdoors in my neck of the woods. Wind and sun are factors in some games.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

We play summer ball outdoors in my neck of the woods. Wind and sun are factors in some games.

Broken street light?

Back, a million years ago, when I was playing playground basketball, I would hate shooting at a rim without a net. If it wasn't a simple layup, I would pass instead of shoot. No jump shots, not even little ten footers. I was completely psyched out without that net.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Broken street light?

Back, a million years ago, when I was playing playground basketball, I would hate shooting at a rim without a net. If it wasn't a simple layup, I would pass instead of shoot. No jump shots, not even little ten footers. I was completely psyched out without that net.

I don't know. I'm just reaching here, trying to figure out why it's a CE, and not just a play-on from the time the error is found.

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Actually, the CER is not a NFHS jerry-rigged rule but one that pre-dates the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees. The CER has been the same in both NFHS and NCAA (except for some simultaneous tweaking by both Rules Committees in either the late 1980's or early 1990's) since before the 1962-63 school year which means it goes back to the NBCUSC (National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada) which is the precursor of the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees.

MTD, Sr.

The fact that you know this is sooooooo scary or you are too old.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

The fact that you know this is sooooooo scary or you are too old.

To quote MTD, Jr. (aka known as MTDv2.0 in the Forums) and Andy (his younger brother) their "old man" has always been a "bald old geezer"!

The 2014-15 will be my 44th season officiating boys'/girls' H.S. basketball and I officiated women's college basketball from 1974 to 2008.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I officiated women's college basketball from 1974 to 2008.

Six-on-six basketball?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Six-on-six basketball?

Billy:

No! That is still played by a small number of high schools in Iowa. Women's college basketball was playing five-man (five-person, LOL) basketball for years when I started officiating.

But my mother played H.S. basketball in Kansas in the late 1930's and they played six-on-six back then. She was a guard and only stayed in her team's defensive end of the court.

MTD, Sr.