Free Throw At Wrong Basket

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I think this would be correct. If not, I think I could "sell it" because the vast majority of coaches would not know better.

A1 is given a replacement free throw
B is awarded the 2 points for the basket made by A at the wrong end
B gets a throw-in and is able to run the baseline (after the replacement FT)

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...well, you know the rest.

It seems like a case when fairness is thrown out the window.

I mean, it's not "fair" that Team B is given the points since Team A was led to believe they were at the correct basket by the officials. But it's not "fair" that Team A is given those points and gets a free throw attempt (possible three point play).

[MD Longhorn]

If the last action is a field goal for B, why does B get the ball?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If the last action is a field goal for B, why does B get the ball?

Good point. So is this the answer?...

1. A1 is given a replacement free throw at the correct basket with the lane clear. If made Team A is given a point and we go to point of interruption, if the free throw is missed we simply go to point of interruption.

2. Team A is given a throw in on the endline (under Team B's basket), and allowed to run the line since if follows a successful field goal.

Note: Although the basket was scored by A2, it was made at Team B's basket, therefore Team B is given two points and the basket is not awarded to any one player (a notation is made in the scorebook).

[just another ref]

No way can this basket count for B when everybody on the court, apparently including the officials, thought it was being shot at the correct basket. This would fall under the part (somebody help me with rule #) where the officials allow the teams to go the wrong way.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by just another ref

No way can this basket count for B when everybody on the court, apparently including the officials, thought it was being shot at the correct basket. This would fall under the part (somebody help me with rule #) where the officials allow the teams to go the wrong way.

The rule is 4-5-4. Some might argue the context of the rule pertains to the start of the game, the 2nd half or any overtime period. See related Caseplays 5.2.1 E and F.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by billyu2

The rule is 4-5-4. Some might argue the context of the rule pertains to the start of the game, the 2nd half or any overtime period. See related Caseplays 5.2.1 E and F.

And I would argue that this is the example given because this is the most likely time for this to occur. The officials allowed the teams to go the wrong way in the OP. I see no reason why this rule would not apply.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And I would argue that this is the example given because this is the most likely time for this to occur. The officials allowed the teams to go the wrong way in the OP. I see no reason why this rule would not apply.

I'm with jar on this one.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And I would argue that this is the example given because this is the most likely time for this to occur. The officials allowed the teams to go the wrong way in the OP. I see no reason why this rule would not apply.

I can agree with that. However, a good case could be made that A's second free throw at the wrong basket is not a correctable error situation. For example: A5 dunks during pre-game warmups. By mistake the officials allow Team B two free throws at the wrong basket to start the game. Both FT's are good. Team B is given the ball at the division line. They inbound and proceed toward the wrong basket. A couple of tries by both teams are missed before Team B scores. During the dead ball after the score the officials realize their mistake. According to 4-5-4 "all points scored count as if each team had gone the proper direction." Apply that ruling to A1's missed free throw and subsequent score by A2 in the OP and I guess all the officials can do is stop the game and get things going in the proper direction. Yes?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And I would argue that this is the example given because this is the most likely time for this to occur. The officials allowed the teams to go the wrong way in the OP. I see no reason why this rule would not apply.

You have learned well young grasshopper.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

It seems like a case when fairness is thrown out the window.

Very little about the correctable error rule is fair. It's just something that the NFHS jerry–rigged together to get the game back on the right track after an error.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Very little about the correctable error rule is fair. It's just something that the NFHS jerry–rigged together to get the game back on the right track after an error.

Actually, the CER is not a NFHS jerry-rigged rule but one that pre-dates the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees. The CER has been the same in both NFHS and NCAA (except for some simultaneous tweaking by both Rules Committees in either the late 1980's or early 1990's) since before the 1962-63 school year which means it goes back to the NBCUSC (National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada) which is the precursor of the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees.

MTD, Sr.

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Actually, the CER is not a NFHS jerry-rigged rule but one that pre-dates the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees. The CER has been the same in both NFHS and NCAA (except for some simultaneous tweaking by both Rules Committees in either the late 1980's or early 1990's) since before the 1962-63 school year which means it goes back to the NBCUSC (National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada) which is the precursor of the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees.

MTD, Sr.

The fact that you know this is sooooooo scary or you are too old.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

The fact that you know this is sooooooo scary or you are too old.

To quote MTD, Jr. (aka known as MTDv2.0 in the Forums) and Andy (his younger brother) their "old man" has always been a "bald old geezer"!

The 2014-15 will be my 44th season officiating boys'/girls' H.S. basketball and I officiated women's college basketball from 1974 to 2008.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I officiated women's college basketball from 1974 to 2008.

Six-on-six basketball?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Six-on-six basketball?

Billy:

No! That is still played by a small number of high schools in Iowa. Women's college basketball was playing five-man (five-person, LOL) basketball for years when I started officiating.

But my mother played H.S. basketball in Kansas in the late 1930's and they played six-on-six back then. She was a guard and only stayed in her team's defensive end of the court.

MTD, Sr.