Free Throw At Wrong Basket

[BryanV21]

I'm re-reading the rule and case books, and thought of a scenario that I can't figure out. Previous case books may have covered it, but I don't have them readily available.

Here it is...

A1 is awarded two free throws after a shooting foul, after the first attempt a time-out is called. Once the time out is over the officials administer the 2nd free throw for A1 at the wrong goal (I don't understand how such a mistake could happen, but stay with me). A1 misses the free throw, which is rebounded by A2 who then shoots and scores. Before B1 in bounds the ball, it is discovered that A1's free throw attempt was at the wrong basket, thus a correctable error.

Now what? Rule 2.10.4 states that the free throw and the activity during it (except for unsporting, flagrant, intentional, and technical fouls) shall be cancelled. However, when the basket was made by A2 the free throw had ended, so this section doesn't apply.

Rule 2.10.5 states that points scored, consumed time, and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of the error, shall not be nullified. Therefore the basket by A2 counts.

So it seems that A1 would be given a replacement free throw at the correct basket with the lanes clear. After the attempt, Team B is given a throw in on the endline (and is able to run the line since at the point of interruption they were able to do so after a made basket by Team A), per point of interruption.

But what happens with the basket scored by Team A? Does Team A get the points, as they were led to believe it was the correct basket due to official error? Does Team B get the points since it was actually their basket?

I'm lost, and afraid it may be obvious. If so, please be gentle.

[BatteryPowered]

I think this would be correct. If not, I think I could "sell it" because the vast majority of coaches would not know better.

A1 is given a replacement free throw
B is awarded the 2 points for the basket made by A at the wrong end
B gets a throw-in and is able to run the baseline (after the replacement FT)

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...well, you know the rest.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I think this would be correct. If not, I think I could "sell it" because the vast majority of coaches would not know better.

A1 is given a replacement free throw
B is awarded the 2 points for the basket made by A at the wrong end
B gets a throw-in and is able to run the baseline (after the replacement FT)

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...well, you know the rest.

It seems like a case when fairness is thrown out the window.

I mean, it's not "fair" that Team B is given the points since Team A was led to believe they were at the correct basket by the officials. But it's not "fair" that Team A is given those points and gets a free throw attempt (possible three point play).

[MD Longhorn]

If the last action is a field goal for B, why does B get the ball?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If the last action is a field goal for B, why does B get the ball?

Good point. So is this the answer?...

1. A1 is given a replacement free throw at the correct basket with the lane clear. If made Team A is given a point and we go to point of interruption, if the free throw is missed we simply go to point of interruption.

2. Team A is given a throw in on the endline (under Team B's basket), and allowed to run the line since if follows a successful field goal.

Note: Although the basket was scored by A2, it was made at Team B's basket, therefore Team B is given two points and the basket is not awarded to any one player (a notation is made in the scorebook).

[just another ref]

No way can this basket count for B when everybody on the court, apparently including the officials, thought it was being shot at the correct basket. This would fall under the part (somebody help me with rule #) where the officials allow the teams to go the wrong way.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

It seems like a case when fairness is thrown out the window.

Very little about the correctable error rule is fair. It's just something that the NFHS jerry–rigged together to get the game back on the right track after an error.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Very little about the correctable error rule is fair. It's just something that the NFHS jerry–rigged together to get the game back on the right track after an error.

Actually, the CER is not a NFHS jerry-rigged rule but one that pre-dates the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees. The CER has been the same in both NFHS and NCAA (except for some simultaneous tweaking by both Rules Committees in either the late 1980's or early 1990's) since before the 1962-63 school year which means it goes back to the NBCUSC (National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada) which is the precursor of the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees.

MTD, Sr.

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Actually, the CER is not a NFHS jerry-rigged rule but one that pre-dates the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees. The CER has been the same in both NFHS and NCAA (except for some simultaneous tweaking by both Rules Committees in either the late 1980's or early 1990's) since before the 1962-63 school year which means it goes back to the NBCUSC (National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada) which is the precursor of the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees.

MTD, Sr.

The fact that you know this is sooooooo scary or you are too old.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm re-reading the rule and case books, and thought of a scenario that I can't figure out. Previous case books may have covered it, but I don't have them readily available.

Here it is...

A1 is awarded two free throws after a shooting foul, after the first attempt a time-out is called. Once the time out is over the officials administer the 2nd free throw for A1 at the wrong goal (I don't understand how such a mistake could happen, but stay with me). A1 misses the free throw, which is rebounded by A2 who then shoots and scores. Before B1 in bounds the ball, it is discovered that A1's free throw attempt was at the wrong basket, thus a correctable error.

Now what? Rule 2.10.4 states that the free throw and the activity during it (except for unsporting, flagrant, intentional, and technical fouls) shall be cancelled. However, when the basket was made by A2 the free throw had ended, so this section doesn't apply.

Rule 2.10.5 states that points scored, consumed time, and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of the error, shall not be nullified. Therefore the basket by A2 counts.

So it seems that A1 would be given a replacement free throw at the correct basket with the lanes clear. After the attempt, Team B is given a throw in on the endline (and is able to run the line since at the point of interruption they were able to do so after a made basket by Team A), per point of interruption.

But what happens with the basket scored by Team A? Does Team A get the points, as they were led to believe it was the correct basket due to official error? Does Team B get the points since it was actually their basket?

I'm lost, and afraid it may be obvious. If so, please be gentle.

Assuming the clock properly started when A2 grabbed the rebound and the ball was at B1's disposal following the basket, the error for the FT at the wrong basket is no longer correctable.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Assuming the clock properly started when A2 grabbed the rebound and the ball was at B1's disposal following the basket, the error for the FT at the wrong basket is no longer correctable.

When the ball is at B1's disposal, wouldn't that be the first dead ball after the clock has properly started? Therefore, the error can be corrected as long as it's caught before B1 inbounds the ball. Right?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

When the ball is at B1's disposal, wouldn't that be the first dead ball after the clock has properly started? Therefore, the error can be corrected as long as it's caught before B1 inbounds the ball. Right?

Rule 6-1-2, my friend...

The ball becomes live when:
a. On a jump ball, the tossed ball leaves the official's hand(s).
b. On a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower.
c. On a free throw, it is at the disposal of the free thrower.

...with a little 4-4-7 throw in...

A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is:
a. Handed to a thrower or free thrower.
b. Caught by a player after it is bounced to him/her.
c. Placed on the floor at the spot.
d. Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Rule 6-1-2, my friend...

The ball becomes live when:
a. On a jump ball, the tossed ball leaves the official's hand(s).
b. On a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower.
c. On a free throw, it is at the disposal of the free thrower.

...with a little 4-4-7 throw in...

A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is:
a. Handed to a thrower or free thrower.
b. Caught by a player after it is bounced to him/her.
c. Placed on the floor at the spot.
d. Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.

So my post is moot without changing it to say the error was recognized by the officials as soon as the ball went threw the basket on A2's shot, and before the ball was at the disposal of one of Team B's members for a throw in.

Nuts.

Oh, and thanks.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So my post is moot without changing it to say the error was recognized by the officials as soon as the ball went threw the basket on A2's shot, and before the ball was at the disposal of one of Team B's members for a throw in.

Nuts.

Oh, and thanks.

Trying to sort through ...
Assuming the error is correctable (recognized before as you describe here) then is the consensus that:

1) Score the goal for A2 (officials permitted players to go in wrong direction, so this is not a "wrong goal" shot).
2) A1 shoots replacement free throw at the correct basket with lanes cleared
3) Resume at POI which is an end line throw-in for B following the scored goal by A2.

Assuming the error is not correctable (as in original post):
1) Score the goal for A2 (officials permitted players to go in wrong direction, so this is not a "wrong goal" shot).
2) Resume play going in the correct direction with end line throw-in for B following the scored goal by A2.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Rule 2.10.4 states that the free throw and the activity during it (except for unsporting, flagrant, intentional, and technical fouls) shall be cancelled. However, when the basket was made by A2 the free throw had ended, so this section doesn't apply.

Rule 2.10.5 states that points scored, consumed time, and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of the error, shall not be nullified. Therefore the basket by A2 counts.

This is an apparent discrepancy that deserved a full solution. And if I don't hit on it here, someone please forward a more correct attempt to set the record straight once and for all.

My idea: Add the word "legitimately" between "points" and "scored" in 22-10-5. In other words, erroneously scored points, like when wrong FT shooter makes a FT or a FT is shot into the wrong basket, those points are indeed nullified. However, if, during the allowable time frame between a correctable error and the discovery of it, if a basket was legitimately scored, that score would not be nullified.

Would that resolve the conundrum that exists in the OP?