Shooting at the wrong basket case plays

[Afrosheen]

I've ran into a couple plays of recent where I want to find definitive answers from the rulebook so I'm hoping fellow officials here can help.

Case 1: Player A grabs a defensive rebound then shoots at his own basket but it's an air ball. He catches the rebound before the ball hitting the floor. Is this a violation or legal since it is still considered a shot attempt.

Case 2: Player A shoots at his own basket with Player B fouling him during his shot attempt. The basket is good. Does Player A shoot a free-throw at his opponent's basket?

[APG]

I'm assuming you want NFHS citations.

Case 1: You need to look at rule 4-44-2 for the definition of a try. From your question, I think reading this will help answer your question

Case 2: Case book play 4.41.2

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Afrosheen

I've ran into a couple plays of recent where I want to find definitive answers from the rulebook so I'm hoping fellow officials here can help.

Case 1: Player A grabs a defensive rebound then shoots at his own basket but it's an air ball. He catches the rebound before the ball hitting the floor. Is this a violation or legal since it is still considered a shot attempt.

Case 2: Player A shoots at his own basket with Player B fouling him during his shot attempt. The basket is good. Does Player A shoot a free-throw at his opponent's basket?

You might want to check that assumption.

It will help you answer both questions.

(in the spirit of "teaching to fish")

[Raymond]

and this is not football, the defense does not defend its own basket.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

and this is not football, the defense does not defend its own basket.

+1

Peace

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

and this is not football, the defense does not defend its own basket.

I wish the NFHS would standardize this across its sports, in soccer you shoot at the opponents goal as well.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I wish the NFHS would standardize this across its sports, in soccer you shoot at the opponents goal as well.

It is probably because at other levels in other sports use the same language. I do not think the NF needs to change anything to make people in football or soccer happy. Basketball at all levels to my understanding use the same language as to which goal you are shooting at or defending. Same language in football as to whose endzone.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I wish the NFHS would standardize this across its sports, in soccer you shoot at the opponents goal as well.

By definition/rule: In NFHS, NCAA, and NBA/WNBA a player shoots at his/her team's basket; and in FIBA, a player shoots at his/her opponent's basket.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is probably because at other levels in other sports use the same language. I do not think the NF needs to change anything to make people in football or soccer happy. Basketball at all levels to my understanding use the same language as to which goal you are shooting at or defending. Same language in football as to whose endzone.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

By definition/rule: In NFHS, NCAA, and NBA/WNBA a player shoots at his/her team's basket; and in FIBA, a player shoots at his/her opponent's basket.

Makes sense. I withdraw my suggestion.

[bballref3966]

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant.

Case 2: As others have said, in basketball, the "wrong" basket is the opponent's basket. If you throw the ball at the opponent's basket, it is not a try for goal, and therefore you cannot be fouled in the act of shooting. The ball is dead when the foul occurs, you have a common foul (most likely), and there is no score. If the team of the player that was fouled is in the bonus, go from there.

Now, if the teams are shooting at the wrong goal because of the officials' error, we have an entirely different situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant.

Case 2: As others have said, in basketball, the "wrong" basket is the opponent's basket. If you throw the ball at the opponent's basket, it is not a try for goal, and therefore you cannot be fouled in the act of shooting. The ball is dead when the foul occurs, you have a common foul (most likely), and there is no score. If the team of the player that was fouled is in the bonus, go from there.

Now, if the teams are shooting at the wrong goal because of the officials' error, we have an entirely different situation.

You might want to rethink #1.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Makes sense. I withdraw my suggestion.

I just wanted you to be aware that this is the culture of the sport. I can see why as a multiple sport official you would come up with that suggestion. We do not make these decisions anyway. So your suggestion is not something we can do anything with at this time. Certainly, no hard feelings, just the way it is for whatever reason.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Afrosheen

I've ran into a couple plays of recent where I want to find definitive answers from the rulebook so I'm hoping fellow officials here can help.

Case 1: Player A grabs a defensive rebound then shoots at his own basket but it's an air ball. He catches the rebound before the ball hitting the floor. Is this a violation or legal since it is still considered a shot attempt.

Case 2: Player A shoots at his own basket with Player B fouling him during his shot attempt. The basket is good. Does Player A shoot a free-throw at his opponent's basket?

Whether #1 is legal depends upon information that we don't have: but your assumption is incorrect. That seems to be the main assumption that is confusing you on both cases.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant.

That statement is correct, but it might not (probably does not) apply to the OP.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant..

All of what you say is correct... except for the word "legal".