I'm assuming you want NFHS citations.
Case 1: You need to look at rule 4-44-2 for the definition of a try. From your question, I think reading this will help answer your question
Case 2: Case book play 4.41.2
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Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.
Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.
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