Shooting at the wrong basket case plays

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Afrosheen

I've ran into a couple plays of recent where I want to find definitive answers from the rulebook so I'm hoping fellow officials here can help.

Case 1: Player A grabs a defensive rebound then shoots at his own basket but it's an air ball. He catches the rebound before the ball hitting the floor. Is this a violation or legal since it is still considered a shot attempt.

Case 2: Player A shoots at his own basket with Player B fouling him during his shot attempt. The basket is good. Does Player A shoot a free-throw at his opponent's basket?

You might want to check that assumption.

It will help you answer both questions.

(in the spirit of "teaching to fish")

[Raymond]

and this is not football, the defense does not defend its own basket.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

and this is not football, the defense does not defend its own basket.

+1

Peace

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

and this is not football, the defense does not defend its own basket.

I wish the NFHS would standardize this across its sports, in soccer you shoot at the opponents goal as well.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I wish the NFHS would standardize this across its sports, in soccer you shoot at the opponents goal as well.

It is probably because at other levels in other sports use the same language. I do not think the NF needs to change anything to make people in football or soccer happy. Basketball at all levels to my understanding use the same language as to which goal you are shooting at or defending. Same language in football as to whose endzone.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I wish the NFHS would standardize this across its sports, in soccer you shoot at the opponents goal as well.

By definition/rule: In NFHS, NCAA, and NBA/WNBA a player shoots at his/her team's basket; and in FIBA, a player shoots at his/her opponent's basket.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is probably because at other levels in other sports use the same language. I do not think the NF needs to change anything to make people in football or soccer happy. Basketball at all levels to my understanding use the same language as to which goal you are shooting at or defending. Same language in football as to whose endzone.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

By definition/rule: In NFHS, NCAA, and NBA/WNBA a player shoots at his/her team's basket; and in FIBA, a player shoots at his/her opponent's basket.

Makes sense. I withdraw my suggestion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Makes sense. I withdraw my suggestion.

I just wanted you to be aware that this is the culture of the sport. I can see why as a multiple sport official you would come up with that suggestion. We do not make these decisions anyway. So your suggestion is not something we can do anything with at this time. Certainly, no hard feelings, just the way it is for whatever reason.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... in the spirit of "teaching to fish"

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll learn to sit in a boat, and drink beer, all day.

[BillyMac]

These questions can't be answered (the way the original poster intended the situation to be) until the original poster cleans up his language in regard to whose basket is really being shot at. Otherwise, we will confuse ourselves to death trying to answer the questions. We can try to figure out what he really meant, but we're not mind readers.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

These questions can't be answered (the way the original poster intended the situation to be) until the original poster cleans up his language in regard to whose basket is really being shot at. Otherwise, we will confuse ourselves to death trying to answer the questions. We can try to figure out what he really meant, but we're not mind readers.

Originally Posted by bballref3966

The OP's situation described the player shooting at his "own basket," which would be a try.

Well, his subject did indicate the shots were at the "wrong" basket even if his subsequent description was not consistent with that. Given that "wrong" is pretty much clear, it doesn't matter if he doesn't understand the technicalities of which basket belongs to each team. His point and questions were clear enough.

The actions in the OP's cases were not trys.

Then, the question about whether the action (in case #1) is legal or not depends on other factors not mentioned. Did the player move/jump in the process of throwing the ball at the wrong basket and retrieving the ball?

In the 2nd case, the ball becomes dead at the time of the foul and it is not a shooting foul. The fouled player would only shoot FTs if his/her team were in the bonus. The basket will only be counted if it had passed through the basket at the time of the foul, otherwise, no score since the ball would have been dead.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

His point and questions were clear enough.

Clear? Really?

Originally Posted by Adam

It is not a try when a player attempts to score at the wrong basket. Look under the definition of a try.

Originally Posted by bballref3966

The OP's situation described the player shooting at his "own basket," which would be a try.

The subject line "wrong basket" does give us a clue about what he wants to know, and I think that I know what he means, but his actual post wording has still created a lot of confusion on the Forum, among some pretty astute Forum members.

I like Camron Rust's answers, but they can still be challenged based on confusion regarding the wording "own basket".

It's just a poorly written question that really can't be answered.

Do you still beat your wife? Do you really want to answer that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Clear? Really?





The subject line "wrong basket" does give us a clue about what he wants to know, and I think that I know what he means, but his actual post wording has still created a lot of confusion on the Forum, among some pretty astute Forum members.

I like Camron Rust's answers, but they can still be challenged based on confusion regarding the wording "own basket".

It's just a poorly written question that really can't be answered.

Do you still beat your wife? Do you really want to answer that?

My wife has a saying when I start getting picky about her words,
"Don't make me connect the dots when you already know what the picture looks like."

We knew what he meant based on the title and the 2nd scenario.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

My wife has a saying when I start getting picky about her words,
"Don't make me connect the dots when you already know what the picture looks like."

We knew what he meant based on the title and the 2nd scenario.

Most definitely...and the fact that several people pointed out that he incorrectly labeled the baskets, so it was obvious what his intentions were with the question.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Adam

My wife has a saying when I start getting picky about her words,
"Don't make me connect the dots when you already know what the picture looks like."

We knew what he meant based on the title and the 2nd scenario.

Agree. And the fact that it would be nearly impossible to grab a defensive rebound, throw it the length of the court towards your own basket, and then catch it before it came down.

It makes perfect sense to point out the incorrect language, but when otherwise intelligent officials act confused with the intent of question just to make a point, it makes the entire thread more confusing.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do you still beat your wife? Do you really want to answer that?

Answer: "No, Never have."