Shooting at the wrong basket case plays

[bballref3966]

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant.

Case 2: As others have said, in basketball, the "wrong" basket is the opponent's basket. If you throw the ball at the opponent's basket, it is not a try for goal, and therefore you cannot be fouled in the act of shooting. The ball is dead when the foul occurs, you have a common foul (most likely), and there is no score. If the team of the player that was fouled is in the bonus, go from there.

Now, if the teams are shooting at the wrong goal because of the officials' error, we have an entirely different situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant.

Case 2: As others have said, in basketball, the "wrong" basket is the opponent's basket. If you throw the ball at the opponent's basket, it is not a try for goal, and therefore you cannot be fouled in the act of shooting. The ball is dead when the foul occurs, you have a common foul (most likely), and there is no score. If the team of the player that was fouled is in the bonus, go from there.

Now, if the teams are shooting at the wrong goal because of the officials' error, we have an entirely different situation.

You might want to rethink #1.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant.

That statement is correct, but it might not (probably does not) apply to the OP.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Case 1: Legal. A player can always recover a failed try for goal. Whether or not it touches anything is irrelevant..

All of what you say is correct... except for the word "legal".

[bballref3966]

I must be misunderstanding Case #1 if my ruling is not applicable.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

I must be misunderstanding Case #1 if my ruling is not applicable.

It is not a try when a player attempts to score at the wrong basket. Look under the definition of a try.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by Adam

It is not a try when a player attempts to score at the wrong basket. Look under the definition of a try.

The OP's situation described the player shooting at his "own basket," which would be a try.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Afrosheen

I've ran into a couple plays of recent where I want to find definitive answers from the rulebook so I'm hoping fellow officials here can help.

Case 1: Player A grabs a defensive rebound then shoots at his own basket but it's an air ball. He catches the rebound before the ball hitting the floor. Is this a violation or legal since it is still considered a shot attempt.

Case 2: Player A shoots at his own basket with Player B fouling him during his shot attempt. The basket is good. Does Player A shoot a free-throw at his opponent's basket?

Whether #1 is legal depends upon information that we don't have: but your assumption is incorrect. That seems to be the main assumption that is confusing you on both cases.

[Rich1]

Assuming that the OP intended the question to be about a player who is "shooting at the wrong basket" and therefore ignoring how said basket is labeled, then I posit the following for consideration:

The legality of #1 would depend on what he did before he let go of the ball and what he did after he caught it. This could be a traveling violation if he moved without starting a dribble (but not just because he threw the ball in the air and then caught it). Since this is not a TRY then any dribble/pivot situations have not ended. Most likely would have to be a judgement call. See 4.44.3D(b).

In #2, a player who has been fouled will only shoot free throws at their own (correct) basket; never at an opponents basket unless you have screwed up. And, we would only be shooting free throws in this situation if his team was in the bonus.

Also in #2, the basket would not count because, since it is not a TRY, the ball is dead when the foul occurs. It does not matter if the ball has been released or not -it is no different than a ball in the air that has been passed between teammates. Another way to look at it is to consider that if the shooter would not get two free throws if he was fouled and missed in this situation then the basket won't count if it went in. See 4.41.2

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich1

Also in #2, the basket would not count because, since it is not a TRY, the ball is dead when the foul occurs. It does not matter if the ball has been released or not -it is no different than a ball in the air that has been passed between teammates. Another way to look at it is to consider that if the shooter would not get two free throws if he was fouled and missed in this situation then the basket won't count if it went in. See 4.41.2

That depends on the order of events since "shooters" can be fouled even after the try is successful if they have not yet returned to the floor (perhaps it was a dunk or from very close).

If the ball went in before the player was "fouled" the basket would count...but for the other team, of course. And in that case, there would actually be no foul unless it were intentional or flagrant since the ball would be dead once it passed through the basket and the "fouled" player would not get the benefit of being an airborne shooter since he/she is not even a shooter.