Stuff coaches say

Originally Posted by Rich

It amazes me when seemingly trained officials act like we can't see what's happening elsewhere because it's not in our "primary."

Sometimes, the only person that can see the injured player is the person looking in that direction, even if it's just in the periphery.

I have no problem with what the OP did. It met the spirit and letter of the rule.

And maybe the T/C didn't see it. Maybe they did. So what?

I try to be aware of everything happening on my court. As I run to new Lead I am always looking over my shoulder at competitive matchups and spotted the downed player. I'm not sure Trail or C saw it but frankly I didn't care. I'm trying to referee with an R mentality and I took charge once I saw the fast break stop. If I were working with more trusted partners then I would approach things differently.

[BillyMac]

5-8-2-A: Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official ... Stops play ... Because of an injury as in 3-3-6, 7.

NOTE: When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball
is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a
play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or
withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a
scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NOTE: When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal)....

Let's consider a non-safety-related injury here (not a head-banger, not life threatening, just a man down). You hold the whistle while the opposition has control.

Option A: Blow the whistle on the try for goal. If it goes in, it's an easy restart. If it doesn't, you have to deal with the dreaded arrow.

Option B: Hold your whistle until after the rebound.

Any preference? Or, is there an Option C?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let's consider a non-safety-related injury here (not a head-banger, not life threatening, just a man down). You hold the whistle while the opposition has control.

Option A: Blow the whistle on the try for goal. If it goes in, it's an easy restart. If it doesn't, you have to deal with the dreaded arrow.

Option B: Hold your whistle until after the rebound.

Any preference? Or, is there an Option C?

My preference is option A as that follows the rule. Option B is done by several people, but has no rule basis. Option C is to keep permitting the offense to rebound and shoot until either they score or the defense secures a rebound. That isn't correct by rule either, but I've also seen people do it.

[JRutledge]

It is summer, I might say just about anything to a coach. He would just have to get over it at that point. But that is me.

Peace

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let's consider a non-safety-related injury here (not a head-banger, not life threatening, just a man down). You hold the whistle while the opposition has control.

Option A: Blow the whistle on the try for goal. If it goes in, it's an easy restart. If it doesn't, you have to deal with the dreaded arrow.

Option B: Hold your whistle until after the rebound.

Any preference? Or, is there an Option C?

I prefer option A. It's the earliest option to stop (assuming an immediate stoppage is not necessary), which is what I'm going for.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I try to be aware of everything happening on my court. As I run to new Lead I am always looking over my shoulder at competitive matchups and spotted the downed player. I'm not sure Trail or C saw it but frankly I didn't care. I'm trying to referee with an R mentality and I took charge once I saw the fast break stop. If I were working with more trusted partners then I would approach things differently.

I'm with Nevada. You're working with an "I don't care what my partners do" mentality.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Btw, if I were the Trail in the backcourt with the injured player and you whistled after I deemed that he was up and ok, I would be annoyed with you. What do you think that your partner is doing back there? That isn't officiating with an R mentality, it is working with a me mentality. An R provides leadership. Sometimes that means letting his partners handle their business, not stepping on their toes and making it look as if they aren't capable or don't care about the possibly hurt kid.

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm with Nevada. You're working with an "I don't care what my partners do" mentality.

Remember this is summer ball. I'm working with partners that barely study the rulebook, have piss-poor mechanics, and don't manage coaches or players properly. From my position at new Lead I have a perfect view of the player down in the backcourt (Trail didn't stay with him) and a perfect view of the play unfolding before me. Trail didn't blow the play dead when the team pulled the ball out, so I did. Like I said, if I were working with partners who I knew took care of their responsibilities -- Rich or Nevadaref for example :P -- I wouldn't bother taking care of that. It's not my responsibility normally. During the summer it is.

[Robert E. Harrison]

"Coach, I have several million dollars worth of liability insurance. I just don't wish to use it today"!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Remember this is summer ball. I'm working with partners that barely study the rulebook, have piss-poor mechanics, and don't manage coaches or players properly. From my position at new Lead I have a perfect view of the player down in the backcourt (Trail didn't stay with him) and a perfect view of the play unfolding before me. Trail didn't blow the play dead when the team pulled the ball out, so I did. Like I said, if I were working with partners who I knew took care of their responsibilities -- Rich or Nevadaref for example :P -- I wouldn't bother taking care of that. It's not my responsibility normally. During the summer it is.

We have all had bad partners. Get over it. That should not be an excuse for what you do or do not do in this or most situations.

That being said I agree, in summer ball I really could give a damn about what a coach thinks in that situation. At least hear summer ball is a different environment and even if I eject a coach, it is not like they have the same penalties, so honestly I do not care what they say or feel about the job I do. And in many cases the game I was assigned was not from the actual assignor that would give me games that that school was involved with either.

That being said, if I read this correctly, you probably should have called the play dead earlier or let it go. I can see the point of view from the coach, but I would not worry about their point of view. It is what it is and this is the place to make mistakes that have little consequence in the bigger picture.

Peace