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[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It probably didn't help that when I blew the play dead the injured player had stood up...

That's a key detail.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's a key detail.

Standing up doesn't mean he's not injured.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by IAUMP

So you immediately stopped the play from the L? Why were you even looking down there to see the injured player? Did the player go down while his team had the ball, or while you were in transition? If I was the old T and there was a turnover making me the new L on a fast break, I wouldn't know if a player went down during the transition or not. The injured player may have simply taken his time to get up and wasn't really injured. That is why you have to rely on your partners to evaluate the situation. Also, the new T should have stayed back with the injured player.

Uhmmm, did you read his OP?

He said they had pulled the ball back out behind the 3 point line before he blew it dead...and he said the player went down before the breaking team rebounded the ball.

[Rich]

It amazes me when seemingly trained officials act like we can't see what's happening elsewhere because it's not in our "primary."

Sometimes, the only person that can see the injured player is the person looking in that direction, even if it's just in the periphery.

I have no problem with what the OP did. It met the spirit and letter of the rule.

And maybe the T/C didn't see it. Maybe they did. So what?

Originally Posted by Rich

It amazes me when seemingly trained officials act like we can't see what's happening elsewhere because it's not in our "primary."

Sometimes, the only person that can see the injured player is the person looking in that direction, even if it's just in the periphery.

I have no problem with what the OP did. It met the spirit and letter of the rule.

And maybe the T/C didn't see it. Maybe they did. So what?

I try to be aware of everything happening on my court. As I run to new Lead I am always looking over my shoulder at competitive matchups and spotted the downed player. I'm not sure Trail or C saw it but frankly I didn't care. I'm trying to referee with an R mentality and I took charge once I saw the fast break stop. If I were working with more trusted partners then I would approach things differently.

[BillyMac]

5-8-2-A: Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official ... Stops play ... Because of an injury as in 3-3-6, 7.

NOTE: When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball
is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a
play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or
withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a
scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NOTE: When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal)....

Let's consider a non-safety-related injury here (not a head-banger, not life threatening, just a man down). You hold the whistle while the opposition has control.

Option A: Blow the whistle on the try for goal. If it goes in, it's an easy restart. If it doesn't, you have to deal with the dreaded arrow.

Option B: Hold your whistle until after the rebound.

Any preference? Or, is there an Option C?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I try to be aware of everything happening on my court. As I run to new Lead I am always looking over my shoulder at competitive matchups and spotted the downed player. I'm not sure Trail or C saw it but frankly I didn't care. I'm trying to referee with an R mentality and I took charge once I saw the fast break stop. If I were working with more trusted partners then I would approach things differently.

I'm with Nevada. You're working with an "I don't care what my partners do" mentality.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Btw, if I were the Trail in the backcourt with the injured player and you whistled after I deemed that he was up and ok, I would be annoyed with you. What do you think that your partner is doing back there? That isn't officiating with an R mentality, it is working with a me mentality. An R provides leadership. Sometimes that means letting his partners handle their business, not stepping on their toes and making it look as if they aren't capable or don't care about the possibly hurt kid.

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm with Nevada. You're working with an "I don't care what my partners do" mentality.

Remember this is summer ball. I'm working with partners that barely study the rulebook, have piss-poor mechanics, and don't manage coaches or players properly. From my position at new Lead I have a perfect view of the player down in the backcourt (Trail didn't stay with him) and a perfect view of the play unfolding before me. Trail didn't blow the play dead when the team pulled the ball out, so I did. Like I said, if I were working with partners who I knew took care of their responsibilities -- Rich or Nevadaref for example :P -- I wouldn't bother taking care of that. It's not my responsibility normally. During the summer it is.