Held ball or foul?

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Would you allow such action if two players were vertical instead of horizontal with one standing and holding the ball?

Good question. Would I allow I player to dive or leap or jump to make a play at the ball absolutely.

If they never touched the other player obviously no foul.

If the jump has them tie up the ball and then land belly to belly or side to side with the offensive player simultaneously. Since the ballhandler has no expectation of time and space, and the contact is not significantly impacting the play and I don't feel like its leading to rough play probably calling a tie up.

If the jump has them get to the ball but go and displace the player or roughly move the other player. Probably foul but again intensity, level of contact we've allowing, etc. Come into play.

If they don't get the ball or need to go through to get the ball. And there is substantial contact. Foul

Again all I'm asking for is the same leeway in determining the result of the play. Will a lot of these result in fouls probably, but that doesn't mean they automatically should.

PLayer can belly up and bump players with and without the ball all over the floor. I get that a prone player should be protected in a similar way to a shooter because of their defenselessness. But every bump or collision with a shooter is not always a foul. IN the OP the prone player is in possession of the ball it is no longer loose so the defense is entitled to defend them, and they are not entitled to time and space. If they are roughly landing on players or not playing the ball or knocking them off their spot. Call it away. If they just end up tieing up the ball and part of all of their body ends up on top of the opponent as a result. The fact that they "jumped" to make a play on the ball seems like a silly reason to automatically call the foul.