Held ball or foul?

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Player on floor and another player jumps on them and you don't see that excessive? Sorry, that just doesn't compute, particularly when the NFHS has explicitly said they want that to be a foul. Why would a player get to jump on top of someone at anytime in the game of basketball? To allow that simply isn't basketball.

Quick List of basketball plays/actions:

Pass and Crash where we've got nothing and the play goes the other way. But one player ends up on top of another on the floor.

Two players get tangled up rebounding/running the floor. One stumbles the other trips over them and one lands on a another. No where near the play the both get up and move on.

One player falls/down get knocked down and now on rebounding action trying to avoid stepping player/players stumble and fall landing on each other.

PLayer dives into a the bench of their/opposing team end up on top of someone.

This is just a short list of reasonable things that happen in basketball game where one player ends up ontop of another pretty regularly.

I'm not saying kids can swan dive into opponents with the ball on the floor but the blanket statement of jumping and landing on player while in the midst of making a play has to be uniformly applied as a foul seems nonsensical.

Players are allowed to reach for the ball and get to the ball athletically (jumping/diving/etc). If that play creates contact we've now got some factors to look at: A) is the contact creating any immediate and clear adv/dis that wouldn't have been gained without the contact B) is passing on this type of contact as incedental going to promote/allow/lead to rough play.

There are more aggressive and physically damaging or taxing things that can happen to a player that are perfectly legal than having a player on top of them. So why would this ALWAYS = rough play? If two players are tied up in a loose ball standing and one goes to ground pulling the other player down on top of them would you have a foul then?

I can see and do see situations when the contact is excessive or dangerous and/ creates an unfair adv/dis so in those situations I would call a foul. To say I'm going to automatically call a foul because in the course of a play one player ends up on top of another . . . I don't think so.

Maybe in your mind "jumping on" and in my mind "jumping on" are not covering the same range of possible actions, but to say its absolutely always going to be a foul is not something I'm comfortable saying.