Traveling ?

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by bd41flpk

Please comment on these plays as being ruled: 'Travel' or not?

(1) A1 has the ball (w/o starting a dribble) and is guarded by B1. A1 throws the ball over B1's head and then starts a dribble - Legal? I say No - travel !

(2) A1 has the ball (w/o starting a dribble) and attempts a pass to A2, who is not looking. A1 then goes and retrieves the ball - Legal? I say No - travel !

(3) A1 has the ball (w/o starting a dribble) and attempts a pass to A2; yet fumbles the ball as the ball is passed. A1 then retrieves the ball - Legal? I say Yes, since its a 'fumble' !

(4) A1 in the post ( w/o a previous dribble ) dribbles the ball w/two hands and then picks it up to attempt a 'shot' - Legal? I say 'yes'...a few have stated that this is a 'double-dribble' - wrong !

Thanks ahead of time for the replies !

1) No mention of feet or pivot feet. SO until I know what the feet were doing during this time I can't determine travel or not by just what the ball is doing.

2) Again "goes and retrieves" does not tell me what his/her feet are doing. THis is pretty important information in determining a travel.

3) There is nothing illegal here, but there might be if we knew what was being judged a fumble and what they did with their feet to retrieve it.

4) Agreed.

[Camron Rust]

I think the question being asked in #1 and #2 assume the feet are not relevant on the release (the pivot foot is not lifted). The real question is whether the player can throw the ball and then run to catch it.

The answer:
If the ball does not bounce, NO....illegal dribble or travel (it could be deemed to be either).
If the ball bounces before being touched, YES....that is a dribble by definition.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think the question being asked in #1 and #2 assume the feet are not relevant on the release (the pivot foot is not lifted). The real question is whether the player can throw the ball and then run to catch it.

The answer:
If the ball does not bounce, NO....illegal dribble or travel (it could be deemed to be either).
If the ball bounces before being touched, YES....that is a dribble by definition.

I am out of town and do not have the book in front of me, but I thought the traveling restriction from the pivot foot moving only applied until the ball was released? I do not recall the ball having to bounce before the pivot foot moves matters for a travel to take place.

Could someone post that part of the rule please?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am out of town and do not have the book in front of me, but I thought the traveling restriction from the pivot foot moving only applied until the ball was released? I do not recall the ball having to bounce before the pivot foot moves matters for a travel to take place.

Could someone post that part of the rule please?

Peace

I didn't say anything about the pivot foot having to be down until the ball bounced (it doesn't).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I didn't say anything about the pivot foot having to be down until the ball bounced (it doesn't).

This is why I asked the question. It was unclear what you were trying to say and unclear what the bd41flpk was trying to suggest was illegal about this play. If a player throws a ball in the air (not apart of a shot) then this is not there is nothing illegal about that action as far as I could tell. I was just wondering if I missed some part of the rule.

Peace

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is why I asked the question. It was unclear what you were trying to say and unclear what the bd41flpk was trying to suggest was illegal about this play. If a player throws a ball in the air (not apart of a shot) then this is not there is nothing illegal about that action as far as I could tell. I was just wondering if I missed some part of the rule.

Peace

It has to bounce before they can touch it again or continue a dribble.

[Nevadaref]

Plays 1 and 2 are in the NFHS Casebook and the NFHS Interpretations thread on this forum. Both are legal if the ball is allowed to contact the court prior to the player touching it again. As others have said the reason is that the action is simply considered to be the start of the dribble.