Traveling ?
Please comment on these plays as being ruled: 'Travel' or not?
(1) A1 has the ball (w/o starting a dribble) and is guarded by B1. A1 throws the ball over B1's head and then starts a dribble - Legal? I say No - travel ! (2) A1 has the ball (w/o starting a dribble) and attempts a pass to A2, who is not looking. A1 then goes and retrieves the ball - Legal? I say No - travel ! (3) A1 has the ball (w/o starting a dribble) and attempts a pass to A2; yet fumbles the ball as the ball is passed. A1 then retrieves the ball - Legal? I say Yes, since its a 'fumble' ! (4) A1 in the post ( w/o a previous dribble ) dribbles the ball w/two hands and then picks it up to attempt a 'shot' - Legal? I say 'yes'...a few have stated that this is a 'double-dribble' - wrong ! Thanks ahead of time for the replies ! |
Your first two examples, why would these be illegal? There is nothing in the rules that says how you start a dribble. And if you throw the ball and no one gets it but you, that is a start of a dribble. Nothing about that is illegal.
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1) Not enough information to answer. If A1 releases the ball without lifting the pivot foot and does not catch the ball after it goes over B1's head, then it's legal.
2) Not enough information to answer. If A1 releases the ball before lifting the pivot foot, and does not retrieve the ball until after it hits the floor, then it's legal. (In both 1 and 2, I'm assuming A1 moved the pivot foot in the subsequent action to get to the ball). 3) Agreed 4) Agreed |
Seems you're trying to go by "feel" or your personal sense of "fairness" (or worse, what you've heard on the playground or on TV.
Instead, ask yourself - in 1 and 2 ... what rule was broken? Then go look for it. |
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2) Again "goes and retrieves" does not tell me what his/her feet are doing. THis is pretty important information in determining a travel. 3) There is nothing illegal here, but there might be if we knew what was being judged a fumble and what they did with their feet to retrieve it. 4) Agreed. |
I think the question being asked in #1 and #2 assume the feet are not relevant on the release (the pivot foot is not lifted). The real question is whether the player can throw the ball and then run to catch it.
The answer: If the ball does not bounce, NO....illegal dribble or travel (it could be deemed to be either). If the ball bounces before being touched, YES....that is a dribble by definition. |
Release or bounce?
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Could someone post that part of the rule please? Peace |
In summary, I see now how the rule is interpreted....
Allow me to clarify, in the 1st two scenarios, the ball was released 'prior' to the pivot foot being released. Hence, as was last posted by Camron Rust ( thank you ) if the ball DOES NOT hit the floor ( i.e. bounce ) then this is considered a travel/illegal dribble ! However, if the ball has hit the floor, then A1 can LEGALLY commence a dribble. However, in scenarios 1 and 2 can A1 legally retrieve the ball - i.e retain possession w/o commencing a 'dribble'? |
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In #2, the action is actually a dribble and they may retrieve the ball. If they do so by catching the ball, they may not dribble again since they already used the dribble. If they retrieve the ball by "continuing" with a dribble, they are legal. |
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