Kentucky vs. Wichita State Throw-In Violation (Video)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

"You cannot move" ()

I'm not taking the bait.

(And no 10% discount for you when I go on my article signing tour.)

I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw. I haven't heard a credible reason why I shouldn't. What you call "coaching" I, and many others call "preventative officiating".

[Rob1968]

NFHS Officials Manual 3.2.2 Throw-ins:
C End Line 5. When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm not taking the bait.

(And no 10% discount for you when I go on my article signing tour.)

Don't worry, I was not going to buy it anyway. Just like I am not buying any IAABO books either.

Peace

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

From this video there is no way to determine wether he did or did not indicate a spot throw in.

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

Spot throw-in after a charge was called on a fastbreak.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I agree - coming out of the time-out: verify, even from a distance, with my partners what kind - (spot or run the endline) and where is the throw-in. It would save the crew from a possibly embarrassing situation.

I announce so everyone can hear whether it is a spot or "running" throw-in. The defense is supposed to be informed just like the offense is.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw. I haven't heard a credible reason why I shouldn't. What you call "coaching" I, and many others call "preventative officiating".

Seems that we were on different wave-lengths.
Apparently, what you call "preventative officiating" I call proper mechanics.
I have no issue with the official signaling something which he should, however it seemed that you were advocating that the official should go out of his way to tell the player what he may or may not doing in this situation.
There is a line between an official properly giving information to the players and an official providing extra instruction which benefits one team.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I announce so everyone can hear whether it is a spot or "running" throw-in. The defense is supposed to be informed just like the offense is.

I honestly say it just loud enough for those in the vicinity to hear, along with a visual signal. I'm not yelling it loud enough for the bigs on the other end to hear it. But I agree, I wait until both sides are out of the TO before saying it, unless of course the D is a bit late to the party.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

Spot throw-in after a charge was called on a fastbreak.

Yep, there was no TO involved (IIRC).

[ballgame99]

I was so confused when i saw this live. There must have been some sort of break because it didn't even dawn on me this was a spot throw in.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Apparently, what you call "preventative officiating" I call proper mechanics.

Is there a section in the mechanics manual that says: "made sure to not over-communicate, you might be giving one team an unfair advantage" or "only follow these proper mechanics, nothing more, nothing less"?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is a line between an official properly giving information to the players and an official providing extra instruction which benefits one team.

If I do it for every throw, doesn't it benefit both teams?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Is there a section in the mechanics manual that says: "made sure to not over-communicate, you might be giving one team an unfair advantage" or "only follow these proper mechanics, nothing more, nothing less"?



If I do it for every throw, doesn't it benefit both teams?

Nevadaref thought you meant something along the lines of "Jimmy, this is a spot throw in. Remember, that means you can't go too far to either your left or your right. You don't have to keep a pivot foot or anything, but your space is three feet wide."

Now, for most of me, it's "13, here's your spot." I think the problem was with the term "preventative officiating" when used to (apparently) indicate following the proper mechanics for the situation. Yes, in this case, the mechanic is preventive, but, it isn't what is generally referred to (around her) as "preventive officiating."

We get easily hung up on terms around here.

Originally Posted by Adam

Nevadaref thought you meant something along the lines of "Jimmy, this is a spot throw in. Remember, that means you can't go too far to either your left or your right. You don't have to keep a pivot foot or anything, but your space is three feet wide."

Given that I said exactly what I do (see below), I don't think Nevadaref misunderstood me.

Originally Posted by AremRed

I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw.