Kentucky vs. Wichita State Throw-In Violation (Video)

Originally Posted by Rich

Eh, the use of the travel signal has never bothered me, for some reason.

Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

"Designated spot" (and point).

[JRutledge]

The main reason I hate the signal for violations on a throw-in, people think the thrower has a pivot foot. They clearly do not and giving the travel helps confuse the issue.

Also in this play he was really late with the call.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

1. There is an official signal in the book for this violation.
2. "Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. There is an official signal in the book for this violation.
2. "Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

If you tell the player what kind of thrown in they have, whether you say "Designated spot" or "You cannot move" () then you are telling them what they can do and not be confused. Not sure I consider that coaching if you are just giving basic information like you would on many other situations.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

"You cannot move" ()

I'm not taking the bait.

(And no 10% discount for you when I go on my article signing tour.)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm not taking the bait.

(And no 10% discount for you when I go on my article signing tour.)

Don't worry, I was not going to buy it anyway. Just like I am not buying any IAABO books either.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

"Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

No, that's called proper IAABO mechanics.

Throwin E 1 d: Throwin administration: Administering official shall ... signal the type of throwin:
1) Designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "Designated spot").
2) Endline with no designated spot (use signal to indicate ability to move along the endline after a timeout, or unusual delay).

NFHS mechanics ???

[Rob1968]

NFHS Officials Manual 3.2.2 Throw-ins:
C End Line 5. When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

I agree - coming out of the time-out: verify, even from a distance, with my partners what kind - (spot or run the endline) and where is the throw-in. It would save the crew from a possibly embarrassing situation.

I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw. I haven't heard a credible reason why I shouldn't. What you call "coaching" I, and many others call "preventative officiating".

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw. I haven't heard a credible reason why I shouldn't. What you call "coaching" I, and many others call "preventative officiating".

Seems that we were on different wave-lengths.
Apparently, what you call "preventative officiating" I call proper mechanics.
I have no issue with the official signaling something which he should, however it seemed that you were advocating that the official should go out of his way to tell the player what he may or may not doing in this situation.
There is a line between an official properly giving information to the players and an official providing extra instruction which benefits one team.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Apparently, what you call "preventative officiating" I call proper mechanics.

Is there a section in the mechanics manual that says: "made sure to not over-communicate, you might be giving one team an unfair advantage" or "only follow these proper mechanics, nothing more, nothing less"?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is a line between an official properly giving information to the players and an official providing extra instruction which benefits one team.

If I do it for every throw, doesn't it benefit both teams?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Is there a section in the mechanics manual that says: "made sure to not over-communicate, you might be giving one team an unfair advantage" or "only follow these proper mechanics, nothing more, nothing less"?



If I do it for every throw, doesn't it benefit both teams?

Nevadaref thought you meant something along the lines of "Jimmy, this is a spot throw in. Remember, that means you can't go too far to either your left or your right. You don't have to keep a pivot foot or anything, but your space is three feet wide."

Now, for most of me, it's "13, here's your spot." I think the problem was with the term "preventative officiating" when used to (apparently) indicate following the proper mechanics for the situation. Yes, in this case, the mechanic is preventive, but, it isn't what is generally referred to (around her) as "preventive officiating."

We get easily hung up on terms around here.

Originally Posted by Adam

Nevadaref thought you meant something along the lines of "Jimmy, this is a spot throw in. Remember, that means you can't go too far to either your left or your right. You don't have to keep a pivot foot or anything, but your space is three feet wide."

Given that I said exactly what I do (see below), I don't think Nevadaref misunderstood me.

Originally Posted by AremRed

I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw.