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Old Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:11am
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Missouri State/Wichita State video requests

I think it was on ESPN3 but I believe you can pull clips from there.

All second half:

13:30 - block called

9:07 - block called

:47.7 - block called - Really want to see this one again.

Also if anyone wants to see an OOB call reviewed and reversed, there was one at 24.6.
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Old Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:35am
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I think it was on ESPN3 but I believe you can pull clips from there.

All second half:

13:30 - block called

9:07 - block called

:47.7 - block called - Really want to see this one again.

Also if anyone wants to see an OOB call reviewed and reversed, there was one at 24.6.
The block/charge play with 47.7 seconds remaining in regulation can been viewed on ESPN.com in the game highlights.
I have it as a blatant charging foul.
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Old Sun Jan 12, 2014, 10:05am
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Imo

After viewing all 3 plays on ESPN360, I have one observation. It was the same official that was involved in all 3 plays.

Play #3, IMO, is a straight out charge.

Concerning the play @ 24.6 - if that is the by rule, then good job. I'll admit that I'm not that familiar with that rule.
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I think it was on ESPN3 but I believe you can pull clips from there.

All second half:

13:30 - block called

9:07 - block called

:47.7 - block called - Really want to see this one again.

Also if anyone wants to see an OOB call reviewed and reversed, there was one at 24.6.
I'm working on it. Just want to make sure - the last two plays are in regulation, correct?
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Old Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:22pm
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Yes all in regulation.
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Old Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:28pm
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video added...4 plays, 1 clip

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I think it was on ESPN3 but I believe you can pull clips from there.

All second half:

13:30 - block called

9:07 - block called

:47.7 - block called - Really want to see this one again.

Also if anyone wants to see an OOB call reviewed and reversed, there was one at 24.6.
Here are the plays...

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Old Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:39pm
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Not only was play 3 a PC foul, but the dribbler traveled as well.

I still don't think plays 1 and 2 were defensive fouls, especially #2.

The OOB review was correct, although I hate the rule.
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#1 - The offensive player has as much right to that spot as the defender. Unless the defender got their first, and the fact he's still moving laterally tells me he didn't, I have a block.

#2 - The defender got to the spot before the shooter started "going up"... charge.

#3 - Same as #2.

As for the OOB, I can't tell for sure one way or the other. I can't blame the ref for his call, as it looks like it was knocked out. On the other hand, the offensive player looks like he may have just lost control.
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#1 - The offensive player has as much right to that spot as the defender. Unless the defender got their first, and the fact he's still moving laterally tells me he didn't, I have a block.

#2 - The defender got to the spot before the shooter started "going up"... charge.

#3 - Same as #2.

As for the OOB, I can't tell for sure one way or the other. I can't blame the ref for his call, as it looks like it was knocked out. On the other hand, the offensive player looks like he may have just lost control.
Note also in Play 1 that he didn't call a block, he called a hand heck and used the "arm bar" signal. I really don't think the defender arm barred him, but you could argue for a block.
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I see three missed block calls. All of those plays were PC fouls IMO. And they were not that hard IMO either.

And the OOB play was missed too, but that was understandable IMO. He probably saw it late and assumed and gave it to the wrong team. That happens, but probably shouldn't.

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#1 - The offensive player has as much right to that spot as the defender. Unless the defender got their first, and the fact he's still moving laterally tells me he didn't, I have a block.
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What? There is no such requirement???? In fact, the rules explicitly allow it.
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Note also in Play 1 that he didn't call a block, he called a hand heck and used the "arm bar" signal. I really don't think the defender arm barred him, but you could argue for a block.
I did see the arm bar signal, but didn't give it any thought. I didn't see anything like that, either.
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I see three missed block calls. All of those plays were PC fouls IMO. And they were not that hard IMO either.

And the OOB play was missed too, but that was understandable IMO. He probably saw it late and assumed and gave it to the wrong team. That happens, but probably shouldn't.

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Agree....on all counts.
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What? There is no such requirement????
Take what I'm saying in context. I'm looking for LGP here, and the movement by the defender tells me he didn't have it. My understanding is that the defender has to at least get to that spot on the floor first, and in this case I don't see it. Both he and the offensive player get to that spot at the same time.
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I see three missed block calls. All of those plays were PC fouls IMO. And they were not that hard IMO either.

And the OOB play was missed too, but that was understandable IMO. He probably saw it late and assumed and gave it to the wrong team. That happens, but probably shouldn't.

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Not saying you're wrong.. not at all. But I'm curious as to your explanation as to why it's a charging call in play #1.
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