Kentucky vs. Wichita State Throw-In Violation (Video)

Adam

16:30 left, second half. TI violation called following a PC foul.

Announcer (idiot) said he "stepped over the line". That's not what happened, he seems to have left the 3 foot spot and the call was delayed a couple of seconds.

Oh, and the T signaled a travel.

OKREF

He first waved is arms and just went with a violation, then used the travel signal. I might add, it did come late, as the ball was already inbounded. Almost looked like he was going to pass on it, then changed his mind.

Adam

OKREF wrote
He first waved is arms and just went with a violation, then used the travel signal. I might add, it did come late, as the ball was already inbounded. Almost looked like he was going to pass on it, then changed his mind.

It was a close enough call, I had to watch a few times. It looked to me like he forgot for a moment that it was a spot throw in.

APG

It should also be mentioned that the officials added a second back on the clock before the subsequent throw-in after the violation.

Raymond

first mechanic was correct second mechanic with wrong. But he got his point across.

Camron Rust

Another perpetuation of the myth that you can travel on a throwin. 🙁

If he'd stopped after the first signal, all would have been good.

Multiple Sports

He forgot and then made up the travel....at that level that is embarrassing.....

Rich

Eh, the use of the travel signal has never bothered me, for some reason.

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Rich wrote
Eh, the use of the travel signal has never bothered me, for some reason.

Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

BillyMac

AremRed wrote
Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

"Designated spot" (and point).

JRutledge

The main reason I hate the signal for violations on a throw-in, people think the thrower has a pivot foot. They clearly do not and giving the travel helps confuse the issue.

Also in this play he was really late with the call.

Peace

Nevadaref

AremRed wrote
Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

1. There is an official signal in the book for this violation.
2. "Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

JRutledge

Nevadaref wrote
1. There is an official signal in the book for this violation.
2. "Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

If you tell the player what kind of thrown in they have, whether you say "Designated spot" or "You cannot move" (😃) then you are telling them what they can do and not be confused. Not sure I consider that coaching if you are just giving basic information like you would on many other situations.

Peace

Rob1968

AremRed wrote
Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

I agree - coming out of the time-out: verify, even from a distance, with my partners what kind - (spot or run the endline) and where is the throw-in. It would save the crew from a possibly embarrassing situation.

BillyMac

Nevadaref wrote
"Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

No, that's called proper IAABO mechanics.

Throwin E 1 d: Throwin administration: Administering official shall ... signal the type of throwin:
1) Designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "Designated spot").
2) Endline with no designated spot (use signal to indicate ability to move along the endline after a timeout, or unusual delay).

NFHS mechanics ???

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
"You cannot move" (😃)

I'm not taking the bait.

(And no 10% discount for you when I go on my article signing tour.)

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I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw. I haven't heard a credible reason why I shouldn't. What you call "coaching" I, and many others call "preventative officiating".

Rob1968

NFHS Officials Manual 3.2.2 Throw-ins:
C End Line 5. When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect.

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
I'm not taking the bait.

(And no 10% discount for you when I go on my article signing tour.)

Don't worry, I was not going to buy it anyway. Just like I am not buying any IAABO books either.

Peace

eyezen

AremRed wrote
Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

From this video there is no way to determine wether he did or did not indicate a spot throw in.