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Adam Sun Mar 23, 2014 03:32pm

Kentucky vs. Wichita State Throw-In Violation (Video)
 
16:30 left, second half. TI violation called following a PC foul.

Announcer (idiot) said he "stepped over the line". That's not what happened, he seems to have left the 3 foot spot and the call was delayed a couple of seconds.

Oh, and the T signaled a travel.

OKREF Sun Mar 23, 2014 03:37pm

He first waved is arms and just went with a violation, then used the travel signal. I might add, it did come late, as the ball was already inbounded. Almost looked like he was going to pass on it, then changed his mind.

Adam Sun Mar 23, 2014 03:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 928418)
He first waved is arms and just went with a violation, then used the travel signal. I might add, it did come late, as the ball was already inbounded. Almost looked like he was going to pass on it, then changed his mind.

It was a close enough call, I had to watch a few times. It looked to me like he forgot for a moment that it was a spot throw in.

APG Wed Mar 26, 2014 04:19pm

It should also be mentioned that the officials added a second back on the clock before the subsequent throw-in after the violation.

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Raymond Wed Mar 26, 2014 04:40pm

first mechanic was correct second mechanic with wrong. But he got his point across.

Camron Rust Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:23pm

Another perpetuation of the myth that you can travel on a throwin. :(

If he'd stopped after the first signal, all would have been good.

Multiple Sports Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:26pm

He forgot and then made up the travel....at that level that is embarrassing.....

Rich Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:52pm

Eh, the use of the travel signal has never bothered me, for some reason.

AremRed Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 929130)
Eh, the use of the travel signal has never bothered me, for some reason.

Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

BillyMac Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:31pm

Ounce Of Prevention ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 929133)
Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

"Designated spot" (and point).

JRutledge Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:31pm

The main reason I hate the signal for violations on a throw-in, people think the thrower has a pivot foot. They clearly do not and giving the travel helps confuse the issue.

Also in this play he was really late with the call.

Peace

Nevadaref Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 929133)
Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

1. There is an official signal in the book for this violation.
2. "Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

JRutledge Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 929140)
1. There is an official signal in the book for this violation.
2. "Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

If you tell the player what kind of thrown in they have, whether you say "Designated spot" or "You cannot move" (:D) then you are telling them what they can do and not be confused. Not sure I consider that coaching if you are just giving basic information like you would on many other situations.

Peace

Rob1968 Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 929133)
Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

I agree - coming out of the time-out: verify, even from a distance, with my partners what kind - (spot or run the endline) and where is the throw-in. It would save the crew from a possibly embarrassing situation.

BillyMac Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:42pm

Throwin Mechanics ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 929140)
"Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

No, that's called proper IAABO mechanics.

Throwin E 1 d: Throwin administration: Administering official shall ... signal the type of throwin:
1) Designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "Designated spot").
2) Endline with no designated spot (use signal to indicate ability to move along the endline after a timeout, or unusual delay).


NFHS mechanics ???


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