Timing question

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So even though the clock is supposed to stop with the whistle (signals a foul), if you have a monitor, your can back up time and reset the clock to the time of the actual foul?

Why are you confused... that's EXACTLY what the rule says to do.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Why are you confused... that's EXACTLY what the rule says to do.

It appears that I am confusing NCAA, and NFHS rules. I know more about rocket surgery, and brain science, than I know about NCAA rules.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm strictly a NFHS guy. If I get a good look at the clock during a last second foul called by me, and if the clock mistakenly runs down to the horn, I could only reset the clock back to my whistle (signal), not back to the actual time of the foul. Am I correct in that high school assumption?

I get it now. You are asking what to do in an NFHS game which allows the use of a courtside monitor for review of a last second try.
Barring specific instruction from your state, the monitor is only used to determine the release of the try vs the expiration of time, not the timing of any foul. At the NFHS level, the referee can only reset the clock to what was seen following the sounding of a whistle. The NCAA rule is certainly different.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I get it now. You are asking what to do in an NFHS game which allows the use of a courtside monitor for review of a last second try. Barring specific instruction from your state, the monitor is only used to determine the release of the try vs the expiration of time, not the timing of any foul. At the NFHS level, the referee can only reset the clock to what was seen following the sounding of a whistle. The NCAA rule is certainly different.

Thanks. Actually I was aware that a monitor could not be used for such a purpose, but I was wondering about a call where I had a really good look at the clock during my last second foul call, followed by the horn mistakenly sounding.

(Sidebar: NFHS. Can the monitor also (in addition to above) be used to determine a two, or three, pointer on a last second try?)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

(Sidebar: NFHS. Can the monitor also (in addition to above) be used to determine a two, or three, pointer on a last second try?)

Your state may be different from what follows depending upon whatever specific language has been adopted, if any.
Here is the exact text from the NFHS rules book: "NOTE: A state association may permit game or replay officials to use a replay monitor during state championship series contests to determine if a try for goal at the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or any overtime period (0:00 on the game clock) should be counted, and if so, determine if it is a two- or a three-point goal."

I believe the crux of this thread and the PTS discussion currently going on comes down to these questions:

Assuming perfect knowledge of the clock, are we obligated to fix it?
Assuming we are obligated, in what situations should we fix the clock?
Is clock operator lag simply part of the game?
Is clock operator lag acceptable in one part of the game but not at another part?

What do you think?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Your state may be different from what follows depending upon whatever specific language has been adopted, if any.
Here is the exact text from the NFHS rules book: "NOTE: A state association may permit game or replay officials to use a replay monitor during state championship series contests to determine if a try for goal at the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or any overtime period (0:00 on the game clock) should be counted, and if so, determine if it is a two- or a three-point goal."

I know one state that follows this to the letter.

I'm amazed that they will only consider the fourth quarter or overtime. A shot at the end of each other quarter can be just as crucial and as easily reviewable.