Inadvertant horn

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Whether or not there is a ball in the air when the horn goes off is irrelevant to our use of whistles at the end of the game... we just don't do it. I understand that it may be against what the rule book or official's manual says, but it wouldn't be the first time we did things differently (see the use of the "hand behind the head" signal on charging fouls). However, I'll make sure that I'm not misunderstanding things.

MTD is an Ohio guy, so I'm going to reply to this post and hope that we will hear from him on the mechanics used in that state.
I really don't understand how you indacate that the ball has become dead and the moment at which the quarter is over without sounding a whistle in situations in which time expires while a try is in flight. Live ball/dead matters in such instances.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Heck, I don't even remember why I brought that up, as it doesn't seem relevant to the OP. Speaking of which... If that happened to me I'd immediately blow my whistle, go to the table to find out why the horn went off and make sure it won't happen again, and then restart the game from the POI.

How many years have you been officiating at the HS level? I ask because you seem to react to certain things which happen or could happen in a game and want to do something which often isn't appropriate. Here is such an example. In many cases, an official should NOT immediately react to a horn by blowing the whistle: during scoring plays & inadvertent horns are two. Don't jump on a situation without proper thought first.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

MTD is an Ohio guy, so I'm going to reply to this post and hope that we will hear from him on the mechanics used in that state.
I really don't understand how you indacate that the ball has become dead and the moment at which the quarter is over without sounding a whistle in situations in which time expires while a try is in flight. Live ball/dead matters in such instances.

How many years have you been officiating at the HS level? I ask because you seem to react to certain things which happen or could happen in a game and want to do something which often isn't appropriate. Here is such an example. In many cases, an official should NOT immediately react to a horn by blowing the whistle: during scoring plays & inadvertent horns are two. Don't jump on a situation without proper thought first.

I'm talking about the situation in the original post, not making a blanket statement about inadvertent horns, and whether I would blow the whistle. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say that I seem react to certain things which happen or could happen, but any advice is appreciated. If you have specific examples then that could help.

By the way, I just finished my 5th season as a certified official (not including work I've done in rec leagues in which certified officials were not necessary). And a couple of weeks ago I was invited to join a varsity crew who had a partner retire (not sure that means anything, but just excited about it and wanted to share).

[OKREF]

Ok, here is an update to what happened. I know one of the officials who worked the game, and talked to him. This is actually what happened.

There was a loose ball that looked like it went out of bounds. It was saved. There were subs at the table, and the clock operator, stopped the clock, and sounded the horn when nobody had a whistle, when the horn sounded all 10 players stopped. The player with the ball who had been dribbling, stopped dribbling and picked up the ball. His coached yelled keep going, and he then dribbled again and went and shot a layup.

So, now we have a double dribble to contend with. The officials got together and determined since everyone quit playing, they were going back to the spot when the horn sounded and resuming from there.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

There was a loose ball that looked like it went out of bounds. It was saved. There were subs at the table, and the clock operator, stopped the clock, and sounded the horn when nobody had a whistle......

wow

[Nevadaref]

To BryanV21, those of us here will try to help with what we can.
Congrats to you on catching on with a crew.

Originally Posted by OKREF

Ok, here is an update to what happened. I know one of the officials who worked the game, and talked to him. This is actually what happened.

There was a loose ball that looked like it went out of bounds. It was saved. There were subs at the table, and the clock operator, stopped the clock, and sounded the horn when nobody had a whistle, when the horn sounded all 10 players stopped. The player with the ball who had been dribbling, stopped dribbling and picked up the ball. His coached yelled keep going, and he then dribbled again and went and shot a layup.

So, now we have a double dribble to contend with. The officials got together and determined since everyone quit playing, they were going back to the spot when the horn sounded and resuming from there.

Too bad. The crew decided not to stop play for an inadvertent horn. Ok, that's actually good. The kids stop and the ball handler ends his dribble. The crew should now have a whistle, consult with the table, and then resume at the POI.
Instead the crew allowed the player to have an illegal second dribble after which he scored. They failed to penalize this violation. It's now too late and is just a missed call. Yet now they stop play and decide to not only cancel the goal, but rewind to even prior to the illegal dribble!!! Yikes!

[JetMetFan]

What Nevada said. Now that we know the full story the crew really made a bad situation worse.

[BryanV21]

So if play continues as normal after the inadvertent horn we should ignore it and play on. But as soon as the inadvertent horn has an effect on the players in the game, such as when the player in this case picked up his/her dribble, then we should stop play and resume from POI.

Right?

[just another ref]

In reality, it usually happens like this. Horn sounds. There is a pause and at least some of the players are obviously distracted. Depending on what is happening at the time, often an official can yell "Play!" and the game continues without incident.