"blarge call" high school

Originally Posted by deecee

Are you not an official?

He's a fan from Kentucky.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Camron:

A good pregame involves PCAs and how to handle plays coming from one PCA and going into another PCA.

Agree with this but sometimes stuff happens, i.e. somebody screws up.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Just curious what the CCA Manual state? Does it require the officials to confer and make a determination?

It requires the officials to determine whose primary area the call is in, and then go with that official's judgement on the play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Camron:

A good pregame involves PCAs and how to handle plays coming from one PCA and going into another PCA. I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that "blarges" happen more often in games officiated with three-man crews as opposed to two-man crews.

MTD, Sr.

The problem with that is that there are several situations that still don't fit the protocols....plays where the foul is right on the border of the two areas and the play was neither moving towards or away from one of them but right along the boundary.

And even if you work that out, it doesn't unsure that the call is right. 50% of the time, it will penalize the wrong team/player. At least with the blarge, it is largely offsetting and since the officials initially disagreed, this seems to be the most equitable and fair.

[just another ref]

There is nothing in the NFHS rule book which would lead one to arrive at this call. There is nothing in the NFHS case book which says that the two officials cannot confer and come out with a single call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

And this is why I pregame "blarges" out of my games because we all know that by rule a blarge is impossible: Either the Defensive Player has obtained (NFHS)/established (NCAA/FIBAp a LGP or he/she has not. A Defensive Player cannot have both a LGP and non-LGP simultaneously, .

This is one aspects of the rules that NCAA Women's gets it correct via its CCA Manual.

MTD, Sr.

Maybe you should just pregame bad calls out of your game. Then even if there's a double whistle, you'll have same call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There is nothing in the NFHS rule book which would lead one to arrive at this call. There is nothing in the NFHS case book which says that the two officials cannot confer and come out with a single call.

Right on time.

You're wrong, in that you're the only one I know (anywhere) who says the case book doesn't mean what you don't think it means.

Also, there's no better explanation for what the case means by "calls" that makes sense.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

He's a fan from Kentucky.

You win this thread.

[OKREF]

I know in my part of Rome if there is a double whistle on a block/charge it belongs to the person it is going towards, in other words it is the lead. This is extensively covered in pregame. Also why we give the closed fist first. If I'm the trail and my partner and I have a double whistle on this type of play, as soon as I see his fist in the air mine goes down

[constable]

A good pregame regarding who takes what play will help reduce blarges.

Proper Mechanics- whistle, holding your fist up in the air and eye contact with your partner should eliminate blarges.

[Toren]

Here's how you prevent 98% of blarges.

Stop cracking your whistle on plays that are not yours. It's really kind of simple.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Right on time.

You're wrong, in that you're the only one I know (anywhere) who says the case book doesn't mean what you don't think it means.

Also, there's no better explanation for what the case means by "calls" that makes sense.

Actually, it now says "rules" instead of calls, which seems to take the preliminary signal even more out of the equation, if that were possible.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Toren

Here's how you prevent 98% of blarges.

Stop cracking your whistle on plays that are not yours. It's really kind of simple.

Nice on paper, but not in the real world. Most of them happen because both officials usually have good reason to believe it is theirs. When exactly does a rotating secondary defender become a primary defender?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Toren

Here's how you prevent 98% of blarges.

Stop cracking your whistle on plays that are not yours. It's really kind of simple.

So on a play in an area of intersection the officials should...?

As was mentioned, the way to avoid them - all of them - is keep the fist up but don't make a preliminary signal.

I had one of these in my GV game (NCAAW 3-person mechanics) last week. I'm L on a semi-fast break. Crash takes place in the lane but on C's half. I wait a beat since my C was recovering to get to her area. I blow my whistle and raise my fist then I hear her whistle and I freeze. I look at her and yell "take it" since I know it's her primary and she calls the PC (which is what I had). It was a little clumsy because of the delay and Team A's HC wasn't thrilled, especially since his team was down 25, but the next time I was in front of him I quietly explained that it looked awkward but I stopped because I heard another whistle.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

So on a play in an area of intersection the officials should...?

belong to the official whose area the play is moving into.