"Odd" Prep School Rules ???

[BillyMac]

I observed a girls junior varsity prep school game today. Connecticut prep school use an "odd" hybrid version using both NFHS and NCAA rules. The visiting team, wearing white, I told you the rules were "odd", has a player wearing the numeral 02, another 03, and another 05. Are these numerals legal in any rule set?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I observed a girls junior varsity prep school game today. Connecticut prep school use an "odd" hybrid version using both NFHS and NCAA rules. The visiting team, wearing white, I told you the rules were "odd", has a player wearing the numeral 02, another 03, and another 05. Are these numerals legal in any rule set?

int c = 5;

is the same as

int c = 05;

But

char string[50] = "05";

is not the same as

char string[50] = "5";

[grunewar]

nuf sed

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by grunewar

nuf sed

Maybe even more.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Nuf sed

From the NFHS: Each team member shall be numbered on the front and back of the team jersey with plain Arabic numerals. The following numbers are legal: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 00, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55. A team member list shall not have both numbers 0 and 00.

I think that this means that since the "number" 2 is legal, then 02 would also be legal. But the last line, with the word "both" seems to indicate that 0 and 00 are not the same "numbers", when according to mathematics, they actually are the same number. I'm not referring to "spirit and purpose" here (computer statistics), I'm just referring to the rule language. As I was watching the game, I checked my rule book. 02 was not listed as legal. My first thought was that it must be illegal, but then I started thinking about the rule language (numbers, numerals, 0 and 00). If there was both a 2, and an 02, that would probably be illegal, but I'm not quite sure why, because 02 is illegal, or because 2 and 02 are duplicates. But just a single 02, no 2, I'm on the fence, which is why I'm asking about rule sets other than the NFHS.

From JugglingReferee: char string [50] = "05" is not the same as char string [50] = "5".

Sorry, I don't speak code, nor do I speak Canadian metric system code. Does this mean that the NFHS considers 02 (alone) to be a legal, or an illegal, number (numeral)? grunewar, and 26 Year Gap, both agree with JugglingReferee. I'm just not sure what JugglingReferee answer to my question was. The single number 02, legal, or illegal, in any rule set?

[bob jenkins]

By a strict reading, 02 would be illegal.

I wouldn't be a plumber about it.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From the NFHS: Each team member shall be numbered on the front and back of the team jersey with plain Arabic numerals. The following numbers are legal: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 00, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55. A team member list shall not have both numbers 0 and 00.

I think that this means that since the "number" 2 is legal, then 02 would also be legal. But the last line, with the word "both" seems to indicate that 0 and 00 are not the same "numbers", when according to mathematics, they actually are the same number. I'm not referring to "spirit and purpose" here (computer statistics), I'm just referring to the rule language. As I was watching the game, I checked my rule book. 02 was not listed as legal. My first thought was that it must be illegal, but then I started thinking about the rule language (numbers, numerals, 0 and 00). If there was both a 2, and an 02, that would probably be illegal, but I'm not quite sure why, because 02 is illegal, or because 2 and 02 are duplicates. But just a single 02, no 2, I'm on the fence, which is why I'm asking about rule sets other than the NFHS.

From JugglingReferee: char string [50] = "05" is not the same as char string [50] = "5".

Sorry, I don't speak code, nor do I speak Canadian metric system code. Does this mean that the NFHS considers 02 (alone) to be a legal, or an illegal, number (numeral)? grunewar, and 26 Year Gap, both agree with JugglingReferee. I'm just not sure what JugglingReferee answer to my question was. The single number 02, legal, or illegal, in any rule set?

fwiw, I was agreeing with grunewar that it was Overly Officious Calculating.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

By a strict reading, 02 would be illegal. I wouldn't be a plumber about it.

Nor would I. Just one of those book learnin' situations.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I was agreeing with grunewar that it was Overly Officious Calculating.

And I still can't figure out what JugglingReferee was trying to say. I don't know whether to agree with him, or to disagree with him, or to agree to disagree with him, or to disagree to agree with him.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And I still can't figure out what JugglingReferee was trying to say. I don't know whether to agree with him, or to disagree with him, or to agree to disagree with him, or to disagree to agree with him.

Whatever it ws, he forgot to say "eh" at the end of the sentence.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And I still can't figure out what JugglingReferee was trying to say. I don't know whether to agree with him, or to disagree with him, or to agree to disagree with him, or to disagree to agree with him.

Computer programmer humor. If you're writing computer code, you get to declare a variable as a specific type, and the type you declare has certain (that may be different for other types of variables).

int c = 5;
int c1 = 05;
int c3 = 000005;

"int" in this case stands for "Integer"... ie: a whole number. The zeros in front of the number 5 do not matter in this case, because all three of the examples I used are equal to the number 5.

char string[4] = "5", 
char string[4] = "05"

These are examples of character strings. In this case, each one is 4 characters long. In these examples, we have " 5" and " 05" respectively. Since character strings are compared literally, these two values are NOT identical.

In other words, when you're asking if 5 and 05 are identical, computer programmers like me have to ask "what data type are you using?" before we can answer your question.

So, to know if 05 is a legal FED basketball number, we need to know if the list of valid numbers in the rulebook is intended to be "Integers" (which would mean 05 is legal) or "Strings" (which would make 05 illegal). I am not aware of a casebook ruling either way.

[JugglingReferee]

Sorry about that BillyMac. I've been writing a lot of code lately, and it just kinda hit me.

It was my way of saying what bob said. I ain't going to look for trouble. lol

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Computer programmer humor. If you're writing computer code, you get to declare a variable as a specific type, and the type you declare has certain (that may be different for other types of variables).

char string[4] = "5", 
char string[4] = "05"

These are examples of character strings. In this case, each one is 4 characters long. In these examples, we have " 5" and " 05" respectively. Since character strings are compared literally, these two values are NOT identical.

Those are actually arrays.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Computer programmers.

Originally Posted by ga314ref

Those are actually arrays.

There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

[silverpie]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I observed a girls junior varsity prep school game today. Connecticut prep school use an "odd" hybrid version using both NFHS and NCAA rules. The visiting team, wearing white, I told you the rules were "odd", has a player wearing the numeral 02, another 03, and another 05. Are these numerals legal in any rule set?

Iowa girls. (This is done, I think, to allow more players, because IGHSAU also restricts one team to odd numbers and the other to even.)