Video Request - Syracuse vs Duke (Video)

[Spence]

At what point in the drive is the latest a defender can legally get the position required?

Picks up dribble?
Goes up off the pivot foot?

[LeeBallanfant]

Boeheim has to go to Kim Mulkey's Summer Camp and learn how to remove his jacket.

[biz]

Full disclosure: I am a Syracuse grad.


On first look - live action of the play at 10 seconds - I thought it was a block. Then on the first replay I thought it was so close that I couldn't be upset with the call either way. Then when I saw the replay from the other end of the court I see the Duke defender stepping toward Fair after the upward motion had started.

From an officiating standpoint, putting myself in Greene's shoes. I thought that was as difficult a block/charge as I've seen this year and I thought it was made tougher by Greene being in mid rotation. I'm not sure he got a great look at the defender as he was looking over his shoulder while rotating across the lane.

Either way, is Vitale insane???? He wouldn't have T'd up Boeheim??? That was an easy ejection and I'm sure no one on here will disagree with that.

[biz]

Originally Posted by Spence

At what point in the drive is the latest a defender can legally get the position required?

Picks up dribble?
Goes up off the pivot foot?

NCAA-M as of this year it is when the upward motion of the shooter has started.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by biz

NCAA-M as of this year it is when the upward motion of the shooter has started.

But how do you define upward motion?

Originally Posted by fiasco

But how do you define upward motion?

How about according to the rule?

NCAA 4-17-4-d: "When the opponent with the ball is airborne, the guard shall have attained legal guarding position before the opponent begins his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass."

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Boeheim has to go to Kim Mulkey's Summer Camp and learn how to remove his jacket.

Hopefully he doesn't show up next year wearing spaghetti straps too!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

From the first time I saw the play it was a charge and a player control foul. A great call.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Boeheim's comments about the call being the "worst" call just shows how ignorant of the rules he is. I hope that either the ACC or the NCAA suspends him for at least two games for his actions on the court.

Boeheim has always been a whinner.

MTD, Sr.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Boeheim's comments about the call being the "worst" call just shows how ignorant of the rules he is. I hope that either the ACC or the NCAA suspends him for at least two games for his actions on the court.

Boeheim has always been a whinner.

MTD, Sr.

Um, Boeheim knows the rule, virtually quoted the rule in his post-game press conference, and based on how the rule has been interpreted/implemented this season....he is correct in saying that play has been called a block throughout the season.

You can say he's a whiner (so is Coach K; so is Coach Izzo; so is Coach Cal; etc), but you CAN'T say he is "ignorant" or the rules.

[biz]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

From the first time I saw the play it was a charge and a player control foul. A great call.

MTD, Sr.

You are the final word on this board as to the block/charge, so am I being nitpicky with the slight hop toward the endline and toward the shooter after he gains LGP?

In APG's post look at :40 of the video. That's where I see LGP being established then there is a slight move toward the shooter. In the next replay from behind the basket you can also see the slight adjustment that looks like it is forward and slightly toward the endline.

I suppose I'm probably splitting hairs.

Originally Posted by biz

You are the final word on this board as to the block/charge, so am I being nitpicky with the slight hop toward the endline and toward the shooter after he gains LGP?

In APG's post look at :40 of the video. That's where I see LGP being established then there is a slight move toward the shooter. In the next replay from behind the basket you can also see the slight adjustment that looks like it is forward and slightly toward the endline.

I suppose I'm probably splitting hairs.

I see what you are talking about. I think that is just the player straightening his legs and standing taller. I do not see the player moving forward in any way that would lose LGP (assuming he had it before upward motion).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by biz

You are the final word on this board as to the block/charge, so am I being nitpicky with the slight hop toward the endline and toward the shooter after he gains LGP?

In APG's post look at :40 of the video. That's where I see LGP being established then there is a slight move toward the shooter. In the next replay from behind the basket you can also see the slight adjustment that looks like it is forward and slightly toward the endline.

I suppose I'm probably splitting hairs.

Moving forward does not remove LGP, unless such movement occurs at the time of contact.

[Ref16]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

From the first time I saw the play it was a charge and a player control foul. A great call.

MTD, Sr.

Me too...all day every day and 100% of the time.

Coach Boeheim deserved the 2 T's he got, there is no way around that when you run out on the floor acting like a first class jackass such as he did in this case....

No issues at all from me with this call, or this ejection.

[Nevadaref]

Play with the score tied at 41 = obvious PC.
Play with ten seconds left = PC, but close and tough while rotating.