Video Request - Syracuse vs Duke (Video)

[grunewar]

From ESPN:

Syracuse had the ball down 60-58 in the final seconds when Fair drove past Tyler Thornton along the baseline for an apparent tying layup.

But official Tony Greene whistled Fair for charging -- and when Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim shot onto the court to argue, Greene slapped him with two technical fouls and ejected him.

Quinn Cook iced it by hitting three free throws with 10.4 seconds left.

[VaTerp]

Boheim completely lost it.

The call I want to see is the block and scored bucket for Duke's Parker earlier in the 2nd half. I think that one was an easy PC call that incorrectly went the other way.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

The call I want to see is the block and scored bucket for Duke's Parker earlier in the 2nd half. I think that one was an easy PC call that incorrectly went the other way.

What time?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What time?

10:30 mark of second half.

Some of you may be able to browse to the plays (10:30 and 0:10 second half) here: ESPN3 -- Syracuse vs. Duke

I suggest checking out the whole situation at 10 seconds, some real hair-pulling commentary there.

[Terrapins Fan]

Looks like a good call to me.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

The call I want to see is the block and scored bucket for Duke's Parker earlier in the 2nd half. I think that one was an easy PC call that incorrectly went the other way.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

10:30 mark of second half.

Just watched it. WOW. It looks like he went to signal charge but changed his mind mid-signal and counted it. If he counted it, why no block signal??

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Just watched it. WOW. It looks like he went to signal charge but changed his mind mid-signal and counted it. If he counted it, why no block signal??

Yeah, watching live I had the exact same thought. Body language looked like he wanted to go offense but he changed his mind. The endline camera angle on replay really made it look like a bad ball. But oh well.

And I grew up watching college b-ball with Dickie V as an announcer. I may be one of the few that still enjoys him but his commentary at the end about officials having to let coaches react was ludicrous.

Fortunately, Bilas set him straight.

[twocentsworth]

the blocking foul called against Syracuse earlier in the half was really bad - should have clearly been an offensive foul.

the call near the end of the game was borderline....based on the calls during the year AND the call against Syracuse earlier in the 2nd half, I can see why Boeheim wents nuts...BUT you just can't do that to your team at the end of the game.

[BryanV21]

As much as I hate to say it, being a big 'Cuse fan, but I don't have a problem with the charging call at the end.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

And I grew up watching college b-ball with Dickie V as an announcer. I may be one of the few that still enjoys him but his commentary at the end about officials having to let coaches react was ludicrous.

Fortunately, Bilas set him straight.

So I guess Boeheim would've had to beat down one of the officials for Vitale to consider a T.

[APG]

Edit: Added 2nd play

[stick]

Originally Posted by grunewar

From ESPN:

Syracuse had the ball down 60-58 in the final seconds when Fair drove past Tyler Thornton along the baseline for an apparent tying layup.

But official Tony Greene whistled Fair for charging -- and when Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim shot onto the court to argue, Greene slapped him with two technical fouls and ejected him.

Quinn Cook iced it by hitting three free throws with 10.4 seconds left.

I was watching the game and right away I had a PC, it was the right call. It was a tough pill for Syracruse to swallow. And I thought the way the official handled Boeheim, who completely embarrassed himself, was outstanding!! I understand that official has worked several ncaa regional finals and final fours, is that true?. Kudoes to him!!

[Tim Quan]

I'm not an official, but I'm kind of a nerd for sports rules. And also in the interest of full disclosure, I'm a Duke fan. I do not believe, however, that that colors my objectivity...but maybe I'm wrong.

I registered here to ask the community to do me a favor and critique or give me feedback on a defense of the player control foul called at the end of the Duke/Syracuse game.

Block or Charge

I figure I'll find confirmation or contradiction of some of my claims or understandings of how the block/charge rule is called might be found as I read through the forum, but I thought I'd just throw this out there and get some constructive criticism.

My hope is that, if I'm not totally off the mark, that I might clean this up and then offer it to folks like Jay Bilas and Dan Shulman at ESPN to review before they (in my opinion) perpetuate errors about what a guarding defender is allowed to do and what is/isn't a block.

Appreciate it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Tim Quan

I'm not an official, but I'm kind of a nerd for sports rules. And also in the interest of full disclosure, I'm a Duke fan. I do not believe, however, that that colors my objectivity...but maybe I'm wrong.

I registered here to ask the community to do me a favor and critique or give me feedback on a defense of the player control foul called at the end of the Duke/Syracuse game.

Block or Charge

I figure I'll find confirmation or contradiction of some of my claims or understandings of how the block/charge rule is called might be found as I read through the forum, but I thought I'd just throw this out there and get some constructive criticism.

My hope is that, if I'm not totally off the mark, that I might clean this up and then offer it to folks like Jay Bilas and Dan Shulman at ESPN to review before they (in my opinion) perpetuate errors about what a guarding defender is allowed to do and what is/isn't a block.

Appreciate it.

Excellent analysis. I wasn't sure I was going to read it all but I did. You nailed every point as far as I'm concerned...the right rules, the right interpretation of the rules, the right application of the rules, and great video clip work to support it.

Head straight to you local officials association and sign up now. If you know the rules that well, you have a sizeable piece of becoming a good official already solved. Any local association could probably use another official who cares enough as you do.

As for the sportscasters, most are not likely to listen at all. They'll continue to believe the myths they learned on the playground 30 years ago.

If there is anything that needs cleanup, I can't find it.