5th foul sub mechanic

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't really care about how much money I look like. I care about doing my job. Perception is different from the vantage point of who is doing the perceiving. I believe in facts and repercussions. I'm not a teenager that needs my partner to step in to handle the big scary coach. The coach's actions are what determines punishment, not mine. I will not run from my responsibility and I will not placate a coach simply to "avoid" a confrontation. Half the onus is on him too, and this is not "avoiding the unmanageable" this is just doing your job.

If I bait the coach, then shame on me. If the coach wants to say something stupid that may or may not earn him a T, then that's on him. Perception and facts are two very different things, and I hope your assignor knows the difference.

So you think it's your job to tell the coach his player fouls out, as the calling official? Isn't that a crew responsibility?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

So you think it's your job to tell the coach his player fouls out, as the calling official? Isn't that a crew responsibility?

I'm already at the table reporting the foul, so yes! If it happens that it's a 3 man game and the table is late to inform us and I am opposite the table then whomever is close can do the honors. Other than that just do your damn job and stop being concerned with players/coaches feelings, it actually makes officiating much much much much much much much easier.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

I'm already at the table reporting the foul, so yes! If it happens that it's a 3 man game and the table is late to inform us and I am opposite the table then whomever is close can do the honors. Other than that just do your damn job and stop being concerned with players/coaches feelings, it actually makes officiating much much much much much much much easier.

Then your job is pretty hard.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Toren

Then your job is pretty hard.

Yeah ... those 5-6 extra words the 10 times a week someone fouls out is downright exhausting...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

Then your job is pretty hard.

To me officiating, like anything else in life, is as difficult as I let it be. Like I said earlier, and this is one of my views on life, I have 0/no/none/zilch/nada control over other peoples emotions/feelings/behavior and I do not care about how they "may" react. Informing a coach about anything is just part of the job, and I don't think or see it necessary, as an adult to hand that responsibility over to my partner because I am "scared" of a little confrontation.

I mean some of the excuses and reasons being thrown around reminds me of the sheepish kid who doesn't want to make eye contact with their parents because they fear getting scolded. If you are a good official then you have NO problem dealing with and addressing a coach when needed and penalizing him when warranted. You also don't need your partner to ride in on his white horse. This to me undermines *your* authority in a major way.

**DISCLAIMER** Above is my opinion and sentiment on how adults should act and officials should officiate. These views are not of officiating.com or any of it's subsidiaries.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

To me officiating, like anything else in life, is as difficult as I let it be. Like I said earlier, and this is one of my views on life, I have 0/no/none/zilch/nada control over other peoples emotions/feelings/behavior and I do not care about how they "may" react. Informing a coach about anything is just part of the job, and I don't think or see it necessary, as an adult to hand that responsibility over to my partner because I am "scared" of a little confrontation.

I mean some of the excuses and reasons being thrown around reminds me of the sheepish kid who doesn't want to make eye contact with their parents because they fear getting scolded. If you are a good official then you have NO problem dealing with and addressing a coach when needed and penalizing him when warranted. You also don't need your partner to ride in on his white horse. This to me undermines *your* authority in a major way.

**DISCLAIMER** Above is my opinion and sentiment on how adults should act and officials should officiate. These views are not of officiating.com or any of it's subsidiaries.

Before I'm done with this thread one question.

Why do you keep using the word "scared"? or big scary coach?

You are the only one that used it in this thread. They call that projection in many circles.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

Before I'm done with this thread one question.

Why do you keep using the word "scared"? or big scary coach?

You are the only one that used it in this thread. They call that projection in many circles.

Because the sentiment is to *NOT* anger or annoy the coach anymore. All the reasons given have been to appease the coach, therefore the safe assumption is to avoid confrontation because the coach *may* get out of hand. Not projection, just some assumption and conclusions.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Because the sentiment is to *NOT* anger or annoy the coach anymore. All the reasons given have been to appease the coach, therefore the safe assumption is to avoid confrontation because the coach *may* get out of hand. Not projection, just some assumption and conclusions.

While I agree 99% of the time, it isn't an issue, and most of us are quite capable of dealing with most of the other 1%, I don't agree with your assumptions here. They're unwarranted.

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by deecee

Because the sentiment is to *NOT* anger or annoy the coach

I don't particularly care wether I anger or annoy the coach. I am simply enforcing the rules of basketball and administering them according to approved mechanics. If this evokes further reaction from a coach that needs to be handled, I'll handle it. I am very careful to always be professional and to appear very calm in these situations so that the coach has nothing to use as amunition for a real complaint. As we say in my chapter all the time, you will never get zapped for going be the book or for using sound judgemennt but you will get zapped for kicking a rule, poor mechanics, or unprofessionalism.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

I'm already at the table reporting the foul, so yes! If it happens that it's a 3 man game and the table is late to inform us and I am opposite the table then whomever is close can do the honors. Other than that just do your damn job and stop being concerned with players/coaches feelings, it actually makes officiating much much much much much much much easier.

I find this whole tirade fairly interesting.

You say you are at the table already reporting the foul. I didn't know we walked up to the table to report a foul. The new Trail is also there, so they are easily also capable of handling it.

Around these parts, I hand out more technicals than most. Those things call themselves. Letting my partner who is the Trail handle the 5th foul administration doesn't mean I'm not doing my job. It means I believe in crew concepts at all times. It's not me on court, it's us on the court.

But you do you.


As an edit: I'm on the men's side, so we go opposite table. So the trail is always table side.