5th foul sub mechanic

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

So you think it's your job to tell the coach his player fouls out, as the calling official? Isn't that a crew responsibility?

I'm already at the table reporting the foul, so yes! If it happens that it's a 3 man game and the table is late to inform us and I am opposite the table then whomever is close can do the honors. Other than that just do your damn job and stop being concerned with players/coaches feelings, it actually makes officiating much much much much much much much easier.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

I'm already at the table reporting the foul, so yes! If it happens that it's a 3 man game and the table is late to inform us and I am opposite the table then whomever is close can do the honors. Other than that just do your damn job and stop being concerned with players/coaches feelings, it actually makes officiating much much much much much much much easier.

Then your job is pretty hard.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Toren

Then your job is pretty hard.

Yeah ... those 5-6 extra words the 10 times a week someone fouls out is downright exhausting...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

Then your job is pretty hard.

To me officiating, like anything else in life, is as difficult as I let it be. Like I said earlier, and this is one of my views on life, I have 0/no/none/zilch/nada control over other peoples emotions/feelings/behavior and I do not care about how they "may" react. Informing a coach about anything is just part of the job, and I don't think or see it necessary, as an adult to hand that responsibility over to my partner because I am "scared" of a little confrontation.

I mean some of the excuses and reasons being thrown around reminds me of the sheepish kid who doesn't want to make eye contact with their parents because they fear getting scolded. If you are a good official then you have NO problem dealing with and addressing a coach when needed and penalizing him when warranted. You also don't need your partner to ride in on his white horse. This to me undermines *your* authority in a major way.

**DISCLAIMER** Above is my opinion and sentiment on how adults should act and officials should officiate. These views are not of officiating.com or any of it's subsidiaries.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

To me officiating, like anything else in life, is as difficult as I let it be. Like I said earlier, and this is one of my views on life, I have 0/no/none/zilch/nada control over other peoples emotions/feelings/behavior and I do not care about how they "may" react. Informing a coach about anything is just part of the job, and I don't think or see it necessary, as an adult to hand that responsibility over to my partner because I am "scared" of a little confrontation.

I mean some of the excuses and reasons being thrown around reminds me of the sheepish kid who doesn't want to make eye contact with their parents because they fear getting scolded. If you are a good official then you have NO problem dealing with and addressing a coach when needed and penalizing him when warranted. You also don't need your partner to ride in on his white horse. This to me undermines *your* authority in a major way.

**DISCLAIMER** Above is my opinion and sentiment on how adults should act and officials should officiate. These views are not of officiating.com or any of it's subsidiaries.

Before I'm done with this thread one question.

Why do you keep using the word "scared"? or big scary coach?

You are the only one that used it in this thread. They call that projection in many circles.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

Before I'm done with this thread one question.

Why do you keep using the word "scared"? or big scary coach?

You are the only one that used it in this thread. They call that projection in many circles.

Because the sentiment is to *NOT* anger or annoy the coach anymore. All the reasons given have been to appease the coach, therefore the safe assumption is to avoid confrontation because the coach *may* get out of hand. Not projection, just some assumption and conclusions.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Because the sentiment is to *NOT* anger or annoy the coach anymore. All the reasons given have been to appease the coach, therefore the safe assumption is to avoid confrontation because the coach *may* get out of hand. Not projection, just some assumption and conclusions.

While I agree 99% of the time, it isn't an issue, and most of us are quite capable of dealing with most of the other 1%, I don't agree with your assumptions here. They're unwarranted.

[Rob1968]

NFHS Officials Manual CREW OF TWO
2.4.2 H. Disqualification Procedure:
1. The non-calling official shall notify the coach and request the timer to begin the replacement interval, and then notify the disqualified player.

Curious, isn't it?

PS: The only reason I would want my partner to inform the coach is that I'd hate to write the report to our assignor if I had to toss him/her for an unbecoming response. . .

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by deecee

Because the sentiment is to *NOT* anger or annoy the coach

I don't particularly care wether I anger or annoy the coach. I am simply enforcing the rules of basketball and administering them according to approved mechanics. If this evokes further reaction from a coach that needs to be handled, I'll handle it. I am very careful to always be professional and to appear very calm in these situations so that the coach has nothing to use as amunition for a real complaint. As we say in my chapter all the time, you will never get zapped for going be the book or for using sound judgemennt but you will get zapped for kicking a rule, poor mechanics, or unprofessionalism.

[Rich1]

The reason I tell the coach as soon as I am notified by the table, start the timer, and THEN tell the player is because the player becomes bench personnel as soon as coach is notified. Any unsporting actions by this player could now cause the coach an indirect T which helps motivate the coach to get him off the vourt and to control his behavior. I consider this to be one of the many tools we have been given to mannage and control the game.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

I'm already at the table reporting the foul, so yes! If it happens that it's a 3 man game and the table is late to inform us and I am opposite the table then whomever is close can do the honors. Other than that just do your damn job and stop being concerned with players/coaches feelings, it actually makes officiating much much much much much much much easier.

I find this whole tirade fairly interesting.

You say you are at the table already reporting the foul. I didn't know we walked up to the table to report a foul. The new Trail is also there, so they are easily also capable of handling it.

Around these parts, I hand out more technicals than most. Those things call themselves. Letting my partner who is the Trail handle the 5th foul administration doesn't mean I'm not doing my job. It means I believe in crew concepts at all times. It's not me on court, it's us on the court.

But you do you.


As an edit: I'm on the men's side, so we go opposite table. So the trail is always table side.