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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 01:32am
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Kansas v Texas: Close Block/Charge Play

This play is being discussed in the Facebook group...close play...what say you?

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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 02:08am
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I have a charge. Not that close, really, just happened quickly. Tie goes to the offense, even when it's not a tie.
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 03:15am
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Defender was there. Offense had the ball. No time/distance required. Charnge.
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 09:02am
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Maybe the official thought the white player had gathered the ball for a try?
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 10:32am
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PC. Time & distance is not required since A3 had the ball.
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 10:51am
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Rule 4-23
ART. 5... Guarding a moving opponent without the ball:
a. Time and distance are factors required to obtain initial legal position.
b. The guard must give the opponent the time and/or distance to avoid contact.
c. The distance need not be more than two strides.

I wouldn't treat the player receiving the ball as "an opponent with the ball", as in Article 4... where time and distance are not factors. By the time he caught and gathered the ball he had no chance to do anything with it (dribble, shoot, pass, or just stop with it), as the defender was less than two steps away.

Perhaps if the defender was within the offensive player's line of sight, then you can say the offensive player had enough of a chance to avoid contact. But since the offensive player was looking back and up at the pass, I would say without reservation that the defender was at fault for the contact.
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 10:39am
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Perfect description

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Defender was there. Offense had the ball. No time/distance required. Charnge.
A carnage charge: Charnge!
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 10:43am
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A carnage charge: Charnge!
Now that's funny.

PC. Ship it!

And for anybody wanting to say that time/distance is required here....just please don't.
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 10:44am
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100% charge.
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Old Mon Feb 03, 2014, 06:13pm
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A carnage charge: Charnge!
My office neighbors are wondering why I'm chuckling!
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 03:08pm
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John Adams has ruled this play a "block" on today's Arbiter video bulletin #14; correct call.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 03:12pm
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John Adams has ruled this play a "block" on today's Arbiter video bulletin #14; correct call.
Did he explain his reasoning?
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 03:16pm
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Did he explain his reasoning?
Rule 4 Sec 17 Art 5 a thru d

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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 03:28pm
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Rule 4 Sec 17 Art 5 a thru d
So basically John ruled that the Texas player did not have the ball. Thus, time/distance is a factor.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 03:30pm
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So basically John ruled that the Texas player did not have the ball. Thus, time/distance is a factor.
If that's the case, I'd like to know what it means to take a step and a half while firmly holding the ball?
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