You Decide - Block, Charge or Travel (Clip)

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Don't work much 2 man....

If he is T rather than C on this play why is he where he is?

Gotta believe it is 3 man mechanics and the T is just really deep and never comes into the camera view.

Guy is way out of his primary, and is out of line for just waving his partner off like that.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by APG

I can buy a no-call...but there's no way the contact in that play warrants a charge call.

I can see the L having an out of bounds off of the the dribbler in this play. Looking over the T's shoulder it appears to be a charge, but I think that looking from the L's position it would be a six of one and a half a dozen of the other with regard to a charge or out of bounds off of the dribbler.

MTD, Sr.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Gotta believe it is 3 man mechanics and the T is just really deep and never comes into the camera view.

Guy is way out of his primary, and is out of line for just waving his partner off like that.

I can't see this game having three officials on it. It is 2-man and the Trail is working deep toward the endline.

[Rich]

The first travel is about as blatant as it gets. Fred Flintstone doesn't get that kind of jump when he's driving his car. And THAT'S in the T's primary.

Love the wave off by the T. Not.

[SWKS]

I have a no call on that play. From the T or C position whichever he is in...I don't believe he can see when you gathered the ball. He might have a better angle than what we get to see here, but I don't have a Charge/Block call either, just and OOB and give ball to white.

I also don't see how some have a travel when A1 gets the ball unless there is a reverse angle we don't see to see when she pushed the ball to start her dribble.

Thirdly, I would ask the guy did he acid wash his hair before the game to make a move like that. At half, between games, or maybe a timeout, I would politley tell him to never do that again!!!!!!

[Rich1]

I can't tell if she puts the ball on the floor in the beginning of her steps and I don't think the Trail can either so I am doubting that is what he has.

From this angle it looks to me like she has not traveled at the end of the play either as she is bumped by the defender before her pivot foot returns to the floor.

So, what I do see is a clear block. The defender moved into her pathway causing the contact.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

He gives his partner a stop sign 3 times and doesn't consult with him at all. It just looks bad. If I'm the lead, I'm taking his gestures as "I got your foul for you", so I would let him report it. Which is what looks like what happened here. L lets his partner take the call, and then sees he got overruled, and at that point you have to go with the call. But if I'm lead, I'm having a conversation with that guy later.

That's what I was thinking as well ... And once I realize he has overruled me and announced the violation, there's not much the lead can do. Unless he said something like "I've got a travel first" ... but I doubt it because the players seem totally confused as well until after the signal.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I can't see this game having three officials on it. It is 2-man and the Trail is working deep toward the endline.

You really think so?

In two person, why would the T be below the free throw line extended? That's where he would set up as C in a 3 person crew. I really think it's 3 person...which makes him even more of a doofus for reaching that far across through all those players.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You really think so?

In two person, why would the T be below the free throw line extended? That's where he would set up as C in a 3 person crew. I really think it's 3 person...which makes him even more of a doofus for reaching that far across through all those players.

Why would he reach across the lane that far through all of those bodies to get a borderline travel and look like a doofus waving the foul off? You can figure out his skill level/experience from the video, so I don't think it's a stretch to say he might be out of position as the Trail.

Not trying to be a dick, just saying...

[Raymond]

A1 travels when she starts her dribble. After that incidental contact. W21 established LGP then sidestepped to maintain it.

Helluva lot better LGP than the other thread.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rich1

I can't tell if she puts the ball on the floor in the beginning of her steps and I don't think the Trail can either so I am doubting that is what he has.

From this angle it looks to me like she has not traveled at the end of the play either as she is bumped by the defender before her pivot foot returns to the floor.

So, what I do see is a clear block. The defender moved into her pathway causing the contact.

Not 100% sure, but the pieces I can see sure suggest it.

If the T was in the proper position (up higher and farther on the court) to officiate her in his primary, he'd get that travel.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Why would he reach across the lane that far through all of those bodies to get a borderline travel and look like a doofus waving the foul off? You can figure out his skill level/experience from the video, so I don't think it's a stretch to say he might be out of position as the Trail.

Not trying to be a dick, just saying...

Don't think you are being a dick at all.

Just think they are working 3 person really poorly.

[Zoochy]

Does 'T' (or 'C') official ever raise his hand? What did the defender do wrong?

[Adam]

Anyone here wear a watch when working basketball games?

I don't, regardless of what season it is. Honestly, and I'm probably judging too harshly, that's all I need to see.

[rpirtle]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Does 'T' (or 'C') official ever raise his hand? What did the defender do wrong?

This looks like a situation where the Trail official (white hair) has assumed the role of veteran to the Lead's "Newbie". The T doesn't raise his hand (or fist) to stop the clock. The T may not have had a call at all...or maybe he did. But it appears that the T does think he knows what his much younger partner is about to call (PC maybe)...and he seems to be signaling him not to report his call. Instead the T reports the Travel. At least that's what it looks like to me.

But the shoes do look like crap.