You Decide - Block, Charge or Travel (Clip)

[ballgame99]

Man, I never want to be THAT partner. Lead had the defensive foul (correct call IMO), and this guy comes in and says I don't care what you have, here's what I have, BANG!

[johnny d]

I think block is the correct call as well. From this camera angle, it is hard to tell exactly when the player ended their dribble. Not sure how the official that called the travel saw that clearly either.

[JRutledge]

First of all, I have no problem if a partner has a violation before a foul. That can happen from time to time in a game and really happens in 2 person games. I am just not in favor of the body language of the officials and that includes both of them. If I have a call he is going to have to do a little more to talk me off of it than a "wave off" that was shown by the Trail here. And I have as much problem with the lead going to get the ball, turning his back on the players as I do with the body language of the Trail. The ball is not going anywhere.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all, I have no problem if a partner has a violation before a foul. That can happen from time to time in a game and really happens in 2 person games. I am just not in favor of the body language of the officials and that includes both of them. If I have a call he is going to have to do a little more to talk me off of it than a "wave off" that was shown by the Trail here. And I have as much problem with the lead going to get the ball, turning his back on the players as I do with the body language of the Trail. The ball is not going anywhere.

Peace

JRut and I are agreeing again (must be a full moon). My issue is as much with how both of them look during this nonsense as with how it was handled. The wave off, the L getting the ball, no hand up to stop the clock by the T (or the C, whatever he was), both of them leaning their bodies sideways at some point to try to get a better view as opposed to just moving their feet. Not a lot of stuff here that would go on a "how to" video.

As for the wave off, why do I get the feeling this wasn't the first time it happened during the game? I have a feeling this guy and I would've had a long, spirited talk when the game was over.

Oh, the call itself: I'm not sure of a travel when #12 first got the ball or when it was called and I'm no-calling the contact that was whistled a foul.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Man, I never want to be THAT partner. Lead had the defensive foul (correct call IMO), and this guy comes in and says I don't care what you have, here's what I have, BANG!

I doubt that is what he is thinking. I don't even think a conversation is necessary here. If you are calling a travel, it is pretty obvious that the travel had to have occurred before any contact was made. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether the other official had block or charge.

I do agree, that he is fishing outside of his primary though on a play that he doesn't have an ideal look.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I doubt that is what he is thinking. I don't even think a conversation is necessary here. If you are calling a travel, it is pretty obvious that the travel had to have occurred before any contact was made. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether the other official had block or charge.

I do agree, that he is fishing outside of his primary though on a play that he doesn't have an ideal look.

He gives his partner a stop sign 3 times and doesn't consult with him at all. It just looks bad. If I'm the lead, I'm taking his gestures as "I got your foul for you", so I would let him report it. Which is what looks like what happened here. L lets his partner take the call, and then sees he got overruled, and at that point you have to go with the call. But if I'm lead, I'm having a conversation with that guy later.

[DRJ1960]

Don't work much 2 man....

If he is T rather than C on this play why is he where he is?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Don't work much 2 man....

If he is T rather than C on this play why is he where he is?

Gotta believe it is 3 man mechanics and the T is just really deep and never comes into the camera view.

Guy is way out of his primary, and is out of line for just waving his partner off like that.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Gotta believe it is 3 man mechanics and the T is just really deep and never comes into the camera view.

Guy is way out of his primary, and is out of line for just waving his partner off like that.

I can't see this game having three officials on it. It is 2-man and the Trail is working deep toward the endline.

[Rich]

The first travel is about as blatant as it gets. Fred Flintstone doesn't get that kind of jump when he's driving his car. And THAT'S in the T's primary.

Love the wave off by the T. Not.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I can't see this game having three officials on it. It is 2-man and the Trail is working deep toward the endline.

You really think so?

In two person, why would the T be below the free throw line extended? That's where he would set up as C in a 3 person crew. I really think it's 3 person...which makes him even more of a doofus for reaching that far across through all those players.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

He gives his partner a stop sign 3 times and doesn't consult with him at all. It just looks bad. If I'm the lead, I'm taking his gestures as "I got your foul for you", so I would let him report it. Which is what looks like what happened here. L lets his partner take the call, and then sees he got overruled, and at that point you have to go with the call. But if I'm lead, I'm having a conversation with that guy later.

That's what I was thinking as well ... And once I realize he has overruled me and announced the violation, there's not much the lead can do. Unless he said something like "I've got a travel first" ... but I doubt it because the players seem totally confused as well until after the signal.