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xyrph Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:02pm

You Decide - Block, Charge or Travel (Clip)
 
You Decide - block, charge or travel for high school game?

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JetMetFan Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:07pm

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ballgame99 Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:22pm

Man, I never want to be THAT partner. Lead had the defensive foul (correct call IMO), and this guy comes in and says I don't care what you have, here's what I have, BANG!

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:23pm

1) This is a charge.

2) The blond haired Ron Burgundy needs to replace his gray shoes with black shoes.

3) Ron Burgundy needs to worry about his PAC and not his partner's PAC.

MTD, Sr.

johnny d Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:25pm

I think block is the correct call as well. From this camera angle, it is hard to tell exactly when the player ended their dribble. Not sure how the official that called the travel saw that clearly either.

johnny d Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 914892)
Man, I never want to be THAT partner. Lead had the defensive foul (correct call IMO), and this guy comes in and says I don't care what you have, here's what I have, BANG!

I doubt that is what he is thinking. I don't even think a conversation is necessary here. If you are calling a travel, it is pretty obvious that the travel had to have occurred before any contact was made. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether the other official had block or charge.

I do agree, that he is fishing outside of his primary though on a play that he doesn't have an ideal look.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 914893)
1) This is a charge.

2) The blond haired Ron Burgundy needs to replace his gray shoes with black shoes.

3) Ron Burgundy needs to worry about his PAC and not his partner's PAC.

MTD, Sr.

I think the girl travelled twice (once before the dribble and once after), but it's hard to tell. If it wasn't a travel, then I agree that charge is more likely than block.

Since the play started in the T's Area (I'm assuming this is two person), I have no problem with T making a call.

westneat Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:36pm

Not a great angle but I'm calling a block here

Bad Zebra Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:40pm

That old warhorse needs a tongue lashing at the end of the half. Grey shoes look like crap. Wristwatch looks like crap. He reached WAYYY across and called an inconclusive travel that he couldn't have possibly seen clearly...then waved his partenr off after he made a good call dead in his lap. I don't care how new or inexperienced the partner is, this guy looks horrible.
  • Stay in your primary.
  • Trust your partner.
  • Look the part.

I'm scratching this goober before my next game.

AremRed Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:41pm

Based on this angle I have a no-call (and thus OOB white). No way partner should be overruling here, he had no whistle and didn't have his arm up. Looks like he just decided after the foul to go back and get a phantom travel.

JRutledge Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:43pm

First of all, I have no problem if a partner has a violation before a foul. That can happen from time to time in a game and really happens in 2 person games. I am just not in favor of the body language of the officials and that includes both of them. If I have a call he is going to have to do a little more to talk me off of it than a "wave off" that was shown by the Trail here. And I have as much problem with the lead going to get the ball, turning his back on the players as I do with the body language of the Trail. The ball is not going anywhere.

Peace

ballgame99 Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 914896)
I doubt that is what he is thinking. I don't even think a conversation is necessary here. If you are calling a travel, it is pretty obvious that the travel had to have occurred before any contact was made. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether the other official had block or charge.

I do agree, that he is fishing outside of his primary though on a play that he doesn't have an ideal look.

He gives his partner a stop sign 3 times and doesn't consult with him at all. It just looks bad. If I'm the lead, I'm taking his gestures as "I got your foul for you", so I would let him report it. Which is what looks like what happened here. L lets his partner take the call, and then sees he got overruled, and at that point you have to go with the call. But if I'm lead, I'm having a conversation with that guy later.

APG Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 914893)
1) This is a charge.

I can buy a no-call...but there's no way the contact in that play warrants a charge call.

DRJ1960 Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:59pm

Don't work much 2 man....

If he is T rather than C on this play why is he where he is?

zm1283 Wed Dec 18, 2013 01:16pm

Wow, that is just bad.

As rare as it is, I agree with Rut's post on this one.

This is either a block (not likely) or just an OOB call. (More likely if it's me)


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