You Decide (Clip)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

This is such an easy block. The defender is sliding (slide stepping?) down the inside of the lane line. She turns her body and causes the contact with her shoulder and her feet are now over (right foot actually outside) the lane line. She doesn't get to move into the offensive player like that.

She sure does to get to move like that since she has obtained LGP and is allowed to move to maintain it, and she was not moving obliquely into the dribbler when contact occurred.

MTD, Sr.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

She sure does to get to move like that since she has obtained LGP and is allowed to move to maintain it, and she was not moving obliquely into the dribbler when contact occurred.

MTD, Sr.

Yes she did move into the shooter. Was inside the lane and then wasn't. How is that not moving into the shooter and causing the contact?

[SNIPERBBB]

The defender never left the lane.

[rpirtle]

I see R1's turning just before contact as simply protecting herself before the impact. That said...I am in the same camp as those who say R1 never attained LGP. It looks like a Block to me. Great discussion though...!!!

[Welpe]

I have a .

I don't think it's all that close either.

Incidentally, I had a similar play to this my first year except the defender got there early enough that he was stationary and screening rules applied. I ruled that one a charge.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I have a .

I don't think it's all that close either.
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You have a dancing banana? TMI

Oh, that's a "block" signal he's doing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You have a dancing banana? Oh, that's a "block" signal he's doing.

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, our dancing bananas are discouraged from punching their fists on their hips for a blocking foul. Our dancing bananas are supposed to use their open hands on their hips.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

The defender never left the lane.

At the 4 second mark, defender has both feet fully in the lane. at 5 seconds, one foot is nearly over the lane line, she moved forward and into the offensive player. BLOCK.

That was my 1st thought and I am yet to be swayed.

When Mark chimed in, I had 2nd thoughts. But by consenses, I believe we have a block.

[xyrph]

I am the original poster of this video clip and I would like to sincerely thank each and every one of you for your comments.

I have learned a lot just from monitoring the lively discussion.

There seems to be some question whether the defender made a movement toward the dribbler prior to contact. My thought at the game was that she had.

I have no idea whether this will help but the original video was shot at 60 frames per second. Here is a frame of the clip immediately prior to contact. It again appears to me that the defender is leaning toward the dribbler (as in moving toward the dribbler) with her shoulder and the side of her body.

Originally Posted by xyrph

There seems to be some question whether the defender made a movement toward the dribbler prior to contact. My thought at the game was that she had.

I have no idea whether this will help but the original video was shot at 60 frames per second. Here is a frame of the clip immediately prior to contact. It again appears to me that the defender is leaning toward the dribbler (as in moving toward the dribbler) with her shoulder and the side of her body.

Nice picture, but (as JRut would say) pictures can't tell us jack. Yeah in this picture the defender appears to be leaning toward the dribbler. However 1) leaning doesn't make one lose LGP and 2) it might look like a lean when in fact the defender is simply trying to slow down. When we are running at a fast speed and try to slow down, we naturally lean in the opposite direction of our momentum. If we didn't we would fall over a lot more often.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

AremRed:

Where in the Rules is this "in the path" of which you speak. I have peruesed the Rules Books from 1971 hence and cannot find it.

Mark, I learned this the hard way too. I insisted it was not a requirement for LGP but I was wrong. I wish the NFHS would list this among the typical requirements for LGP so we have everything in one place.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

At the 4 second mark, defender has both feet fully in the lane. at 5 seconds, one foot is nearly over the lane line, she moved forward and into the offensive player. BLOCK.

That was my 1st thought and I am yet to be swayed.
When Mark chimed in, I had 2nd thoughts. But by consenses, I believe we have a block.

you and I both have the same poor eyesight. I saw the same thing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

She sure does to get to move like that since she has obtained LGP and is allowed to move to maintain it, and she was not moving obliquely into the dribbler when contact occurred.

MTD, Sr.

She moved into the offensive player. She was not retreating or moving sideways to maintain LGP at that point.

[SWKS]

Either Camp Block or PC, the LGP question has to be answered.

If you believe block then you believe no LGP

If you believe PC then you believe LGP was obtained.

This discussion about shoulder contact being caused by defensive player and that is why it is a block is a terrible argument. In no way is she moving towards the offensive player, nor is she displacing the offensive player. You are not watching the same clip that is posted in this thread twice. Nor can you argue that by an rule or case play.

So if you believe it to be a block simply state she didn't have LGP and we would argue that if we were on the crew together. But to say that is an easy block call then you are lazily interpreting the rules and listening to the crowd.

It is a difficult call and we have a bad angle to get a real sense of what Lead saw.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by SWKS

If you believe PC then you believe LGP was obtained.

It is possible to have a PC foul without a defender ever having LGP. You know that, right?

[SWKS]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is possible to have a PC foul without a defender ever having LGP. You know that, right?

Yes I know that, just wondering what the confusion or tick question might be coming?